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Old 04-19-2009, 06:30 AM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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I think you need to look up "socialism" before you respond. Obama has directly bought companies, AIG, Citibank, GM for example, Bush loaned these companies money. While I supported neither choice, there is a HUGE difference between the government loaning money, and them outright buying them up..

I will agree that Bush and the DEMOCRATIC Congress abused their authorization when they decided to LOAN companies money though, but this is not the same as "socialism"..
I suggest that you look up the term yourself - your logic is obviously flawed on this one - as usual...

Bush enacted one of the biggest increases in entitlements in the past 30 years with his Medicaid Prescription Drug program - one which benefits the pharmaceuticals more than medicaid members... I'm sure your ilk would regard this as 'socialism'..

Here's a link to an article by Nouriel Roubini claiming that Bush, Paulson, Bernanke were well into socialism: Nouriel Roubini: The US has invented socialism for the rich | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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This is just insane, Obama now wants to shut down his home towns largest radio station because they were going to air an expert on the connection between Obama and Ayers.

This is unconstitutional and an attack on our rights to know the facts and freedom of speech.

What does he have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide why would you do this?

Is this really what real Americans want is a leader who will not allow your voices and right to be heard?

As time goes by we will finally see the media covering more of the communist ways of Obama.

We have to stop this now, right now before it goes to far.

Obama wants to shut up WGN Radio

Members of Barack Obama’s campaign HQ in Chicago tried to shut down a local radio show on the City's most powerful radio signal, WGN 720, because they didn't like a conservative guest that was on going on the air to discuss Senator Barack Obama's ties to local terrorist William Ayers. This is a shocking attempt at stifling political free speech and a bald attempt to quash debate


Controlling us like rats is communism, he want to take control of our speech, our media and our lives, our way of life, our money etc. This is communism.
I was actually born and lived in a communist country before coming here to the U.S. in 1968. You wouldn't know communism if it bit you on the butt. I resent your Rush Limbaugh inspired ignorance and fear-mongering.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:41 AM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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I was actually born and lived in a communist country before coming here to the U.S. in 1968. You wouldn't know communism if it bit you on the butt. I resent your Rush Limbaugh inspired ignorance and fear-mongering.
Bravo!!! You are so right!!! They don't have a clue!!!

I travelled to Moscow several times - starting in early '92 - and I was dumfounded by the psychological damage that citizens there suffered under the communists..

People were afraid to speak up - to show any initiative - to challenge authority.

Then someone told me that during the communist regime- those attributes would make you one of the 'disappeared people' - those who vanished in the night , and were usually never heard from again.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Here
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I was actually born and lived in a communist country before coming here to the U.S. in 1968. You wouldn't know communism if it bit you on the butt. I resent your Rush Limbaugh inspired ignorance and fear-mongering.
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night by any chance?
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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I suggest that you look up the term yourself - your logic is obviously flawed on this one - as usual...

Bush enacted one of the biggest increases in entitlements in the past 30 years with his Medicaid Prescription Drug program - one which benefits the pharmaceuticals more than medicaid members... I'm sure your ilk would regard this as 'socialism'..

Here's a link to an article by Nouriel Roubini claiming that Bush, Paulson, Bernanke were well into socialism: Nouriel Roubini: The US has invented socialism for the rich | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
mrbob, I really get tired of doing your own homework for you.. Do you keep changing the subject to Bush because you want to avoid the issue about Obama?

Here, let me hold your hand and of course correct you again...

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of themeans of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by economic equality for all individuals, with an egalitarian method of compensation.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late 19th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticized the effects of industrialization and private ownership on society. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution and would be a long transitional stage between capitalism and communism (the disappearance of class and therefore state).

Meaning.. Just SUGGESTING or advocating that the government should go into business and produce is socialism.. Not only has Obama SUGGESTED it, but he has done it.. He has taken over 80% of AIG, Citibank, and he has even fired CEO's. No, Bush did not do these things, he LOANED these companies money, Obama took control.. Think I'm wrong, what CEO did Bush fire? What company did Bush tell how to operate or what cars they can build? What company did the taxpayers own when Bush left office?

Bushs' drug program was not socialism because he did not create or operate a company to put the program into place, he simply expanded government and spent taxpayers money.. Bushs' TARP program also was not socialism because he LOANED companies money, without taking any equity in return. It was Obama that converted these loans into equity/ownership positions when he converted loan to stock thereby causing Citibank stock to be severly diluted and many investors to lose billions.

The left continues to criticize and write off anyone on the right for using calling Obama a "socialist" but per the definition thats what he is. We can debate the benefits of socialism but for gods sake, debating the benefits of Obamas socialism cant begin to be discussed until indivuals are willing to call it what it is.. Socialism

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Old 04-19-2009, 08:08 AM
 
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I was actually born and lived in a communist country before coming here to the U.S. in 1968. You wouldn't know communism if it bit you on the butt. I resent your Rush Limbaugh inspired ignorance and fear-mongering.
You resent the "Rush Limbaugh ignorance and fear mongering" but thought it was perfectly ok to display your own ignorance and fear of "Rush"..
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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GW Bush's policies were anti-social. Maybe it's just the contrast of the current president compared to the last?
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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This is just insane, Obama now wants to shut down his home towns largest radio station because they were going to air an expert on the connection between Obama and Ayers.

This is unconstitutional and an attack on our rights to know the facts and freedom of speech.

What does he have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide why would you do this?

Is this really what real Americans want is a leader who will not allow your voices and right to be heard?

As time goes by we will finally see the media covering more of the communist ways of Obama.

We have to stop this now, right now before it goes to far.

Obama wants to shut up WGN Radio

Members of Barack Obama’s campaign HQ in Chicago tried to shut down a local radio show on the City's most powerful radio signal, WGN 720, because they didn't like a conservative guest that was on going on the air to discuss Senator Barack Obama's ties to local terrorist William Ayers. This is a shocking attempt at stifling political free speech and a bald attempt to quash debate


Controlling us like rats is communism, he want to take control of our speech, our media and our lives, our way of life, our money etc. This is communism.

I agree 100% but get ready Sunshine you haven't seen anything yet, Now I hear he is pulling a big one so he will own the banks, that's why he won't take back the money they are truing to pay back, soon he will own us all and we will be nothing but puppets and he will be in control of the strings.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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This is just insane, Obama now wants to shut down his home towns largest radio station because they were going to air an expert on the connection between Obama and Ayers.

This is unconstitutional and an attack on our rights to know the facts and freedom of speech.

What does he have to hide? If you do not have anything to hide why would you do this?

Is this really what real Americans want is a leader who will not allow your voices and right to be heard?

As time goes by we will finally see the media covering more of the communist ways of Obama.

We have to stop this now, right now before it goes to far.

Obama wants to shut up WGN Radio

Members of Barack Obama’s campaign HQ in Chicago tried to shut down a local radio show on the City's most powerful radio signal, WGN 720, because they didn't like a conservative guest that was on going on the air to discuss Senator Barack Obama's ties to local terrorist William Ayers. This is a shocking attempt at stifling political free speech and a bald attempt to quash debate


Controlling us like rats is communism, he want to take control of our speech, our media and our lives, our way of life, our money etc. This is communism.
and people like you wonder why you lost the Election?

Members of Barack Obama’s campaign HQ in Chicago tried to shut down a local radio show on the City's most powerful radio signal, WGN 720, because they didn't like a conservative guest that was on going on the air to discuss Senator Barack Obama's ties to local terrorist William Ayers.

1: Barack is no longer on a "campaign"
2: If Obama wanted to shut down any opposing voices WGN is small potatoes! He could just use Ayers to bomb FAUX NEWS!
3: The Government has already investigated Ayers and he was never convicted of anything. I thought we jailed terrorists?
4: Sorry but shaking Chavez or Castro's hand doesn't mean Communism rubs off on you like cooties.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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and people like you wonder why you lost the Election?
Actually Republicans lost the election due to ilresponsible spending, lack of accountability and timing of a poor business cycle compounded by policies that lowered the value of our currency..

mmmm, let me think why thats important now..
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