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Does the US constitution and it's bill of rights apply to foreign citizens?
I would argue no, but even if so, it gets worse. Obama goes on to state we should "take them out." Target them and kill them.
If the bill of rights does apply to foreign citizens, why is he suggesting we kill them without trial? Why isn't this approach used by US police departments?
The Governor from Montana said any Senate or Senator who even PROPOSED such an idea would be laughed out of office in Montana. Present is an Illinois anomaly. Not surprising...given it's the home of Chicago.
Does the US constitution and it's bill of rights apply to foreign citizens?
I would argue no, but even if so, it gets worse. Obama goes on to state we should "take them out." Target them and kill them.
If the bill of rights does apply to foreign citizens, why is he suggesting we kill them without trial? Why isn't this approach used by US police departments?
I've said no such thing, "Ashrob," so I'd appreciate if you'd stay out of this unless you have something interesting or intelligent to contribute.
And by the way, I've heard the "excuses" by Obama about his "strategic" use of "present" votes, and I don't buy it. End of story. Froma group that has bought his snake oil and kool-aid pops wholesale and by the bulk, however, it's not surprising you can take any WORMING and rationalization by Obama for being an unprincipled flip flopper phony man as gospel.
No one had to take Senator Obama's word for since there are more than enough Illinois legislator's who have and can attest to it's use, strategic function and purpose, and the intent when the vote is cast. There are so many direct quotes, that it has become quite telling and equally fascinating to watch those who do not know the purpose of the vote, and how and why it's used.
So foreign citizens being held in Guantanamo do not have US bill of right protections? I don't disagree. . . just wondering what Obama's thinking.
I can't attest to what the Senator is thinking anymore than you. Why wouldn't we treat the accused as the Bill of Rights instructs? The Bill of Rights does not use the word citizen, in fact it's never mentioned. It says person, and I believe, for a very good reason.
No one had to take Senator Obama's word for since there are more than enough Illinois legislator's who have and can attest to it's use, strategic function and purpose, and the intent when the vote is cast. There are so many direct quotes, that it has become quite telling and equally fascinating to watch those who do not know the purpose of the vote, and how and why it's used.
And Obama was always more than happy to be the "vote present" guy, wasn't he?
WORM WORM WORM. All day long.
Rationalization is key to overcoming cognitive dissonance.
Does the US constitution and it's bill of rights apply to foreign citizens?
I would argue no, but even if so, it gets worse. Obama goes on to state we should "take them out." Target them and kill them.
If the bill of rights does apply to foreign citizens, why is he suggesting we kill them without trial? Why isn't this approach used by US police departments?
For all who do not know what the Bill of Rights says, here it is: (The Bill of Rights is made up of Amendments 1 through 10 to the U.S. Constitution) Note that there is no reference to citizens, rather all references are to people or person.
United States Constitution
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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