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I tried real hard to come to an understanding why someone would think that neither Abortion nor Infanticide would be murder, then posit the rationale that it's all part of the "Choice" venue.
I've also often wondered how anyone could claim that there's nothing wrong with murdering an innocent child, yet most of those same anyones think that it is terrible that violent felons that have committed heinous crimes need to be supported for life by the taxpayers.
As I've said before, speaking logic to a liberal is a lot like speaking German to a French Poodle.
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I tried real hard to come to an understanding why someone would think that neither Abortion nor Infanticide would be murder, then posit the rationale that it's all part of the "Choice" venue.
I've also often wondered how anyone could claim that there's nothing wrong with murdering an innocent child, yet most of those same anyones think that it is terrible that violent felons that have committed heinous crimes need to be supported for life by the taxpayers.
As I've said before, speaking logic to a liberal is a lot like speaking German to a French Poodle.
Equating a fetus with a child is like calling a German a French poodle.
I tried real hard to come to an understanding why someone would think that neither Abortion nor Infanticide would be murder, then posit the rationale that it's all part of the "Choice" venue.
I've also often wondered how anyone could claim that there's nothing wrong with murdering an innocent child, yet most of those same anyones think that it is terrible that violent felons that have committed heinous crimes need to be supported for life by the taxpayers.
As I've said before, speaking logic to a liberal is a lot like speaking German to a French Poodle.
Then are you willing to support these babies?
They're babies. They're tiny. They're innocent. So you feel for them. Now, anyway. What about when they're five? Ten? Fourteen? Are you willing to feed these people that grow from cute babies to people that the Conservative Reich grouses it "won't" spend its "hard earned money" on feeding? Are you going to scream at a four-year-old to get a job? You scream, fight, shout, demand, and guilt people into "keeping" the "precious life" they carry. Then what happens right after the birth? Where are you?
Don't you think any desperate pregnant woman knows that the very same people demanding she keep her child or else risk going to hell, will be completely absent once it's time to put their money where their mouths are? Then what? Suppose a woman can't feed herself. Suppose she's addicted to drugs. Suppose she's being abused. Or any of a hundred situations. This woman knows that the "good" people who want to save that precious life will absolutely sneer at any attempt she then makes to get help to clothe and take care of that precious life.
Hypocrites.
Why is it so many fight so valiantly for the lives of strangers' babies...then turn their backs entirely when it's time to feed them with a sneer of "That's your responsibility. You made your bed...you have to lie in it"?
That's a serious question. Does anyone who is anti-choice have an answer to this?
And can you honestly say you don't see why these women wouldn't necessarily "honor" that "precious life" and why it's not as easy an answer as that, at all?
I'm sure you are. Every child is a gift from God. This young person is lovable and deserves your EVERY measure to ensure that he carries on in society.
Remember, every child is a gift from God. This young person, who is in fact a child/a minor, is lovable and deserves your EVERY measure to ensure that he carries on in society. Right? So you're willing to help him get food, clothing, medical care...right? After all, every child deserves to live...but minors can't row their own boat. They need someone to take care of them. Will that be you?
If not, then sit down, zip it and don't pretend that the "adorable babies" you're trying to save are deserving just by virtue of still currently being babies and yet suddenly undeserving once you decide they're no longer appealing. And have not yet turned into anything that you plan on dissing entirely and allowing to perhaps die on the streets rather than on a table (and no, they don't have to be criminals to deserve this type of slap in the face from the pro-lifers who screamed to save their lives years earlier; I don't see Pubs jumping to help any children in need with any "lazy" "socialist" assistance).
They're babies. They're tiny. They're innocent. So you feel for them. Now, anyway. What about when they're five? Ten? Fourteen? Are you willing to feed these people that grow from cute babies to people that the Conservative Reich grouses it "won't" spend its "hard earned money" on feeding? Are you going to scream at a four-year-old to get a job? You scream, fight, shout, demand, and guilt people into "keeping" the "precious life" they carry. Then what happens right after the birth? Where are you?
Don't you think any desperate pregnant woman knows that the very same people demanding she keep her child or else risk going to hell, will be completely absent once it's time to put their money where their mouths are? Then what? Suppose a woman can't feed herself. Suppose she's addicted to drugs. Suppose she's being abused. Or any of a hundred situations. This woman knows that the "good" people who want to save that precious life will absolutely sneer at any attempt she then makes to get help to clothe and take care of that precious life.
Hypocrites.
Why is it so many fight so valiantly for the lives of strangers' babies...then turn their backs entirely when it's time to feed them with a sneer of "That's your responsibility. You made your bed...you have to lie in it"?
That's a serious question. Does anyone who is anti-choice have an answer to this?
And can you honestly say you don't see why these women wouldn't necessarily "honor" that "precious life" and why it's not as easy an answer as that, at all?
What you have done is brought up several issues -- none of which excuse late term abortion. It is possible to be pro choice but against late term abortion just as it is possible to be against abortion yet see the inevitability of it and hope it is restricted to first trimester only. Or better yet, use birth control so it is not needed in the first place. Abortion is not an easy subject, it is laden with emotion and well it should be. But look at the environment we have created --- it is damn near impossible to have a rational discussion about abortion. Too quickly one side goes off on murder while the other side equates fetus' with tapeworms. Both are diversions and both ultimately prolong the agony of this problem.
So please......pro life doesn't mean child hater anymore then pro choice means child killer.
I'm sure you are. Every child is a gift from God. This young person is lovable and deserves your EVERY measure to ensure that he carries on in society.
Now, are you willing to save this life?
Remember, every child is a gift from God. This young person, who is in fact a child/a minor, is lovable and deserves your EVERY measure to ensure that he carries on in society. Right? So you're willing to help him get food, clothing, medical care...right? After all, every child deserves to live...but minors can't row their own boat. They need someone to take care of them. Will that be you?
If not, then sit down, zip it and don't pretend that the "adorable babies" you're trying to save are deserving just by virtue of still currently being babies and not yet having turned into anything that you plan on dissing entirely and allowing to perhaps die on the streets rather than on a table.
Oh, for christs sake! Now this has just stooped to a ridiculous level!!
Are you saying that every woman who has an abortion are unfit trash that -- since we can't kill them off -- we as a society should be glad that they are voluntarily killing off their own criminally bent progeny?
OR are you saying that abortion is a kind of eugenics program that is a bit hit and miss?
Seriously, what the hell are you saying?
Total LYING crap. Shame on the OP and anyone else who posts this garbage. The true story is that the bill in the IL legislature was so poorly worded that it was nothing more than an attempt to overturn Roe within that state, and the bill was seen as DOA due to its being unconstitutional. MOST of the IL legislature voted against that stupid effort by anti-abortion morons. Instead of posting an idiot-gram, **** and get the truth from the Obama website: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/15/wildaccusations (broken link)
Excerpt: "The suggestion that Obama -- the proud father of two little girls -- and others who opposed these bills supported infanticide is deeply offensive and insulting. There is no room for these kinds of distortions and lies in this campaign. What Senator Obama’s attackers don’t tell you is that existing Illinois law already requires doctors to provide medical care in the very rare case that babies are born alive during abortions. They will not tell you that Obama voted against these laws in Illinois because they were clear attempts to undermine Roe v. Wade. They will not tell you that these laws were also opposed by pro-choice Republicans and the Illinois Medical Society -- a leading association of doctors in the state. And they will not tell you that Obama has always maintained that he would have voted for the federal version of this bill, which did not pose such a threat. The bills Senator Obama voted against in Illinois were crafted to undermine Roe v. Wade or pre-existing Illinois state law regulating reproductive healthcare and medical practice, which is why Senator Obama objected to them.""
Every time a jerk posts the "born alive" lie, they'll get this post in reply. My cut & paste buttons work fine.
Last edited by Mike from back east; 10-09-2008 at 02:08 PM..
What you have done is brought up several issues -- none of which excuse late term abortion.
There are many cases in which women can't get abortions until it's "late" in the "term". Discovering an issue which will cause a slow and horrible death to the child if it's born; this will only be discovered between 16 and 20 weeks. I know of no accurate genetic testing at 8 weeks gestation or less. Not realizing one is pregnant until kicks are felt or even later due to the person being very overweight, the person being unknowledgeble, the person still spotting and thinking she's having periods, etc. The person being dirt poor and having to scrape up the money for the abortion with no help from anybody and this taking a few months.
Do you think any woman wants to abort a five-month fetus? Any woman? (Or girl?)
And thanks for the tip on using birth control. I'm sure many city girls who are thrown down in alleys and brutally raped get the chance to say, "Oh, one moment. Would you mind wearing a condom?" So are girls who are raped by their fathers. And women whose drunken husbands come in after having been missing for a week or two or a month or a year and jump on them.
These tips on birth control and abstinence are great, though, did you forward any to Bristol Palin?
Oh, for christs sake! Now this has just stooped to a ridiculous level!!
Are you saying that every woman who has an abortion are unfit trash that -- since we can't kill them off -- we as a society should be glad that they are voluntarily killing off their own criminally bent progeny?
OR are you saying that abortion is a kind of eugenics program that is a bit hit and miss?
Seriously, what the hell are you saying?
None of the above. I'm honestly asking you. If you believe all children are a gift from God then do you really mean it? ALL children? And if so, can we then trust that you're going to help raise these children that you're moralizing these women into keeping? If so, then great. If not, then again, you are being a hypocrite...and you should stay out of these women's lives because you have no clue how they are forced to live or what prompts their decisions to abort OR keep their babies. (Remember, choice is the idea here, not automatic abortion. The teenager in the picture was not an abortion. His mother chose life. But where are the applause and the moralistic nods of approval now, years later?)
It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with being "trash" or "eugenics"...WTH are you talking about? The teen I posted a picture of looks no less trashy or threatening than Bristol Palin's babydaddy; however, Babydaddy could not have been used in this illustration as he isn't a minor. The "trash" in the picture is, by the way, a person. He's a human being. It's you who immediately fingered him as trash and wrote him off without even knowing him, simply by seeing a picture of him...so I guess you've answered my question whether you know it or not. No, once they no longer look cute they no longer deserve to live, so it's perfectly okay that you and others like you command women to keep their babies but then, once the babies are bigger, to have them live or die while you shrug your shoulders and look away.
And yet still you can't see why a woman would feel desperate, alone and realize that she can't take care of a baby, child and teen all along? Well then you're just closing your eyes deliberately.
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