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Old 10-17-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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78 pages.....good lord. Anyways, here is what Joe is complaining about and how may people this will really effect if taxes are bumped:

Checking facts: Will Obama raise small biz taxes? - Oct. 16, 2008
Yeah right, just like Clinton and H.W. weren't going to raise taxes.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:16 PM
 
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78 pages.....good lord. Anyways, here is what Joe is complaining about and how may people this will really effect if taxes are bumped:

Checking facts: Will Obama raise small biz taxes? - Oct. 16, 2008

Ahhh the CNN factcheck
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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So now you judge an entire mans life on what? the hour or so worth of it you know of?
... in much the same way that many people did with Jeremiah Wright.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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Yeah right, just like Clinton and H.W. weren't going to raise taxes.
What makes you so sure that McCain won't?

W. didn't, but it's a hell of a lot easier to cut taxes when you have a surplus to work with. That doesn't exist anymore, mainly because W. forgot to cut spending and reduce government like he claimed he would.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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You see, yours is the oppressive tendency of all leftists. Because you can't see the potential, you'll crush the hope in all others for your personal gain.

That's what this is about. It's not whether Joe can or can't. It's about whether Joe has the opportunity or sees the reward to try. That's what America is: A place of opportunity and reward.

When you take that away, you do two things. First, as I've implied, you take away the American Dream. Second, you impose your values on others which starts a war of sorts. They then try to impose their values on you. The result of this is that we're all forced to live according to the rules laid out by the latest winner.

That's not freedom. If you want freedom, you have to give freedom.
While that's would have been a great speech in the days of pre-colonial England, it doesn't mean anything in 2008. It was Joe's Team who effed up the very freedom of economic opportunity that you suggest is threatened. Republicans screwed this up. Now somebody else has to fix it.

Moreover, a tax increase of 3% hardly qualifies as threat to freedom.

Besides ... yer boy can't seem to pay the taxes he owes already.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:38 PM
 
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What makes you so sure that McCain won't?
I think he will also. However, because of his earmark free history and challenges to BS spending, I believe he'll also cut spending.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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While that's would have been a great speech in the days of pre-colonial England, it doesn't mean anything in 2008. It was Joe's Team who effed up the very freedom of economic opportunity that you suggest is threatened. Republicans screwed this up. Now somebody else has to fix it.
I see no direction in this section of your post. Pre-colonial England to Joe's team?

If you value freedom, then you're willing to give it to others. If you value the American Dream, then you don't support policies that damage hope in those who have the potential to improve society by fulfilling their dreams.

Please respond to the points rather than going off into left field about Republicans or England or the year, etc. Not one of those is relevant, as far as I can tell.

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Moreover, a tax increase of 3% hardly qualifies as threat to freedom.
It does for a segment of the population. I think it's only common sense to see that with every increment of tax, a segment decides it's not worth it. Those people are oppressed by those who support the tax.

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Besides ... yer boy can't seem to pay the taxes he owes already.
Again, I don't see why that's relevant. We're talking about the American Dream and you're connecting the American Dream to a fellow citizens tax status. I don't see how you make these connections.

Please explain how crushing the dreams of some is justified by Joe not yet paying a tax.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Default People like you miss the point!

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Well...his real name is Sam and he is not a plumber...Sam the faux plumber who makes 40,000.00/year. He is nowhere close to buying a business and I read somewhere he was a felon of some kind...

Another McSame failed gimmick.
It's not about where he is now; it's about where he want's to go and whether or not he still will have the same opportunity to do so under an Obama tax plan. And so what if he has a felony?What does that have to do with taxes on small businesses and middle class families? That is the narrative in which the "Joe the Plumber" topic should be discussed.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Yeah, but don't let that stop you from helping smear him! I never met a liberal who let facts get in the way.
I wasn't smearing him. Go back and read any posts I've done on this Joe the Plumber guy. And I'm also not a liberal.
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