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I understand what you are saying but from what he described it sounded more like a deformity or genetic defect of the fetus, not a problem with the umbilical cord (actually a normal cord has three vessels, not two).
I have a big interest in pregnancy and childbirth too, and I do know a lot about it; that's why I am asking too, as I am curious what might have gone wrong.
I understand what you are saying but from what he described it sounded more like a deformity or genetic defect of the fetus, not a problem with the umbilical cord (actually a normal cord has three vessels, not two).
I have a big interest in pregnancy and childbirth too, and I do know a lot about it; that's why I am asking too, as I am curious what might have gone wrong.
I'm sorry, but I have to correct you. The umbilical cord does have two arteries. It also has one vein, so, three vessels, but obviously, a vein is not an artery. Is that what you were thinking of? In any event, sorry, but there are definitely two arteries in a normal umbilical cord (and only one in my son's).
It was not more a deformity to the fetus than the cord; it was a deformity to both, concurrently, which was the point.
If you are not a doctor - I suggest you stop trying to diagnose what happened. It's pretty damned insulting to the person who told the story that you keep trying to tear it apart and say it couldn't happen.
I'll give you an example - hydrocephaly.
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Yep, hydrocephaly would be one - but seems like they'd deliver by cesarean section if that were the case to avoid trauma to the cervix and vagina - doncha think?
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Yep, hydrocephaly would be one - but seems like they'd deliver by cesarean section if that were the case to avoid trauma to the cervix and vagina - doncha think?
A C-Section is a much, much more dangerous procedure than an abortion. There is no trauma to the vagina or cervix in a late term abortion. The cervix is opened manually over a period of 2-3 days using lamiraria that slowly expand.
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Now, back to the original topic: Can you effin believe what McCain did last night with the air quotes and the sneering sarcasm regarding the woman's health relating to abortions? I cannot. He's truly disgusting, and I'm sure he lost the potential votes of LOTS of female undecideds and uncommitteds and independents with his rude, mocking statements.
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As I recall- and it was over 22 years ago- it was a deformation of the skull of the fetus. As I recall most of the skull was actually missing and the spinal cord was also suspected of being malformed. As to why this would endanger a woman from future births, I do not know. I do know this- that she was never able to become pregnant again and they wanted more than one child.
A C-Section is a much, much more dangerous procedure than an abortion.
When I was pregnant with Colin I had this continuous nagging feeling that something was "wrong" but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Granted he started out as a problem pregnancy, with issues (I won't go into it, too gross) up to my 14th gestational week (12-week-old fetal Colin). After that, those problems abruptly stopped. But I still felt like something was "wrong with" my baby. Everyone thought I was nuts. Then we found out about the SUA and after that, I thought, Oh man...what does this mean, now.........Colin's gestational age was 21 weeks (fetal age: 19 weeks) when we found out. I was told I should get an amnio b/c it would take two weeks to get results...after which we would legally only have one week to "make a decision"...oh man, anyone who hasn't been through this just can't imagine, and God bless you, because nobody should have to.
As a result I got a little scared at times and went on some "problems discovered during pregnancy" forums to see what I might do in case it was one thing or another. See what babies could be helped. What babies would live...and let me tell you...there were people finding out in their 20th, 22nd weeks that a child had a trisomy form that nearly all children die from during their first two years (there are two trisomies that have this dire prediction)...fetuses with unbelievable issues that would cause the babies horrid pain before they were finally "allowed" to die, once born...
I know this all must sound dramatic, but I'll tell you, I will never again question a parent who would rather have his or her child die very quickly, than be born, be in horrible pain, unable to breathe with intracranial bleeds, lung collapses...tearing skin b/c the skin is so thin up until about the 30th week or a little later...I'll tell you, yes, situations do exist where you'd rather abort your child than have him or her suffer horrible for a few days, a few weeks in unimaginable pain before finally dying.
So maybe some of us shouldn't judge so much.
My son was born apparently "normal" but is very definitely autistic and has been in special programs since the age of two, and just began speaking a year ago (he is five years old) and has just bowel trained...and I am grateful...I am one of the lucky parents. If I had found anything like so many other parents I've heard of, more than you'd imagine, well...oh man, I just don't know. We are so grateful that it was only autism. And that physically Colin is so healthy (now--his first two years were a health nightmare).
So please think twice about judging.
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Now, back to the original topic: Can you effin believe what McCain did last night with the air quotes and the sneering sarcasm regarding the woman's health relating to abortions? I cannot. He's truly disgusting, and I'm sure he lost the potential votes of LOTS of female undecideds and uncommitteds and independents with his rude, mocking statements.
He is disgusting but yes, coming from him, I believe it.
Last edited by gallowsCalibrator; 10-17-2008 at 05:59 AM..
Now, back to the original topic: Can you effin believe what McCain did last night with the air quotes and the sneering sarcasm regarding the woman's health relating to abortions? I cannot. He's truly disgusting, and I'm sure he lost the potential votes of LOTS of female undecideds and uncommitteds and independents with his rude, mocking statements.
I'm really sorry, Politico. NO, I can't believe it...or, well, I guess I can, but I don't want to. I hate how this man appears to view women. I'm actually scared of how he seems to view women.
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I'm really sorry, Politico. NO, I can't believe it...or, well, I guess I can, but I don't want to. I hate how this man appears to view women. I'm actually scared of how he seems to view women.
I'm actually very frightened at women who treat babies like malignant tumors, and with people who so viciously agree with those women.
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I hate how this man appears to view women. I'm actually scared of how he seems to view women.
