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Certainly nothing wrong with encouraging and is a noble cause however requiring is truly beyond belief.
In my town we already have a 30 hour community service requirement in place to graduate high school. It is a great way for the kids to learn what it means to help another person in need or how they can help to maintain their community by donating their time. This gives them a greater understanding of the meaning of giving and that we all have something to give whether it is time or money they are both valuable.
They're in school, why would they end up on welfare? Not studying? Planning on dropping out? Most folks who attend an institution of higher learning do so to further themselves.
I think I was clear about that. I said they are already working a lot and if they have to do community service on top of that that takes time away from studying. Is there any reason that welfare recipients shouldn't be required to do community service in exchange for the money they are receiving, which is a lot more than $4000 a year?
And in case you guys don't know, there already ARE education credits - the Lifetime Learning credit and the Hope scholarship credit.
In my town we already have a 30 hour community service requirement in place to graduate high school. It is a great way for the kids to learn what it means to help another person in need or how they can help to maintain their community by donating their time. This gives them a greater understanding of the meaning of giving and that we all have something to give whether it is time or money they are both valuable.
Right on, mainesnowflake! Good for your town. Your kids are going to turn out awesome.
Is there any reason that welfare recipients shouldn't be required to do community service in exchange for the money they are receiving, which is a lot more than $4000 a year?
No, there is not any reason. I commented above that there is plenty of community service that even limited ability or differently-abled people can do. So I agree with you on that one. Not instead of healthy, young people doing community service, though. I'm not sure why it would have to be one or the other.
Sanrene, since you also oppose Obama's plan, what do you think of what Luzianne said above? Would you be for it?
In my town we already have a 30 hour community service requirement in place to graduate high school. It is a great way for the kids to learn what it means to help another person in need or how they can help to maintain their community by donating their time. This gives them a greater understanding of the meaning of giving and that we all have something to give whether it is time or money they are both valuable.
I wouldn't be against it if the localities thought it was best. But what works in one place doesn't necessarily mean it will work in another. heck if I had to pick battles this wouldn't be number one with all that's going on in the US. It seems admirable but the last thing that anything admirable needs to do is have the federal government govern it.
In my town we already have a 30 hour community service requirement in place to graduate high school. It is a great way for the kids to learn what it means to help another person in need or how they can help to maintain their community by donating their time. This gives them a greater understanding of the meaning of giving and that we all have something to give whether it is time or money they are both valuable.
My kids also did community service in high school but that is when they were living at home and not having to try to support themselves while going through college. It's a lot harder for them now. Obviously college courses are a lot more intense than high school, and on top of that they have to work to pay the bills. If we had one in college we could alleviate a lot of the stress and pay most of the expenses. But with three we cannot, so they have to work.
One year of fees since this is obviously way too confusing.
Four thousand dollars per year. Four thousand dollars for one year.
The argument was that two hours of week of community service (a little less, technically; there are 52 weeks in a year and 100 hours would be the "requirement") would be in addition to working. NO, they wouldn't, since, with $4000 free money each year, they could work $4000 worth of their regular jobs less per year and still be coming out the same.
That is the tie-in.
Do...you...understand...this...yet?
Cut the insulting crap, already. You clearly don't understand what WE are saying and we haven't asserted stupid stuff about you.
I will spell it out -- this is NOT "free money." It means taking up one's time to participate in a government program -- more time than any of y'all are willing to admit. If you think for one minute that the government would hand over $4,000 per year for working two hours per week then you deserve the despair that's coming. AGAIN, you are making your assertions based on two DIFFERENT programs.
My kid's tuition, fees and living expenses come to about $17K per year. He gets the Pell Grant and the Stafford Loan -- these come to about 8K. He's still 9K short. He'd have to work a regular job earning 5K AND do the Obama thing which would require MUCH more than 2 hours per week.
And you haven't even addressed the cost of this brand-new, job-creating bureaucracy on the American people. They would have to set up partnerships, hire administrators, pay overseers for completing government paperwork, and somehow create a center in Washington to process all of the paperwork and guard against fraud.
How on Earth is that better than simply increasing the Stafford Loan or Pell Grant amounts?????
Who decides what qualifies as community service? For example if Dave smith wants to help the minute man group would that count? To me it should. Patroling and working against illegal immigration is a community service.
We have programs like river watch. They clean up garbage along the river bank take samples of the water etc. Another good community service.
I am asking because too often someone else gets to decide what community service actually is and then they provide a list of what they feel is acceptable.
How on Earth is that better than simply increasing the Stafford Loan or Pell Grant amounts?????
As I said, then don't sit here on the internet complaining about it. Do something about it. You have access to a computer, obviously. Educate yourself, crunch the actual numbers (on increasing the Pell, etc.), have some sort of good hypothesis as to how that could come about, and write people who can make a change. Do you think anyone here on CD can make that change for you? As far as I can tell, until you actually do something about what you're complaining about, you're not actually looking to make a change. You're just looking to "prove" why Hillary would have been the better choice. You're living in the past; that ship has sailed. You're looking to make us "sorry" for having voted for Obama in the primaries and for having elected him President. But that's not going to happen, it is, I believe, spiteful and nonproductive, and it is surely not going to help your son or any other college student.
As for the "insulting crap", I edited my post (before you posted, BTW) so as NOT to go off the deep end about this. I laid out the numbers. Logically. And also BTW, how on earth could 100 hours a year be "a lot more" hours than we're "willing" to admit? As far as I know, 100 hours is...well, 100 hours. And also as far as I know, there are still only 52 weeks in a given year.
On the other hand, in mentioning Hillary's plan, you reveal your real agenda here. You don't want to allow Obama to help even your own son. You'd rather have everything fall apart in order to prove that Obama was the "wrong" choice and Hillary was the "right" choice.
This has got to be the most desperate thing I've read in a long time. YOU may very well be that partisan but the rest of us are healthy enough not to be.
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