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Old 11-25-2008, 08:06 AM
 
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So rather than just screaming at me - which you, for some reason, have chosen to do - why didn't you just answer my original question about Michelle's job?

It was a question, for crying out loud.


You really need to settle down.

I think you need a course on internet etiquette- I am not screaming. In the cyber world screaming is using all caps and raising your voice is all bold letters.

I've done none of that- I simply asked a question and stated my opinions.

 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:11 AM
 
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'But Obama was never part of this aspect of the school’s culture. In his first book "Dreams From My Father," Obama writes, "for my grandparents, my admission into Punahou Academy heralded the start of something grand, an elevation in the family status." Obama was admitted to the school, which he describes as "an incubator for island elites," because his grandfather’s boss, an alumni, pulled strings. Because his family couldn’t afford the steep tuition, he went on a scholarship.

'With his admission to Punahou, Obama entered Hawaii’s, and t

he country’s, meritocracy, its educated elite — a status reinforced when he attended Columbia College and Harvard Law School. But Obama’s home life was far more modest than that of his classmates. He lived in a small, two-bedroom apartment with his grandmother, who worked at a local bank, and his grandfather, who sold life insurance."'

The Washington Independent » Elitist Charge Not New for Obama


Listen I have no problem with him getting a good education but face facts he IS not the "average" American, he IS a millionaire. His grandmother was a bank executive not just some teller, they were far from poor. He has no clue what it means to have your children hungry because you don't have enough money to buy them food or to decided whether to pay the electric or your kids doctor bill.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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Listen I have no problem with him getting a good education but face facts he IS not the "average" American, he IS a millionaire. His grandmother was a bank executive not just some teller, they were far from poor. He has no clue what it means to have your children hungry because you don't have enough money to buy them food or to decided whether to pay the electric or your kids doctor bill.
What you need to consider, though is that he understands the plight of the middle class because he did go without when he was a child. His mother even depended on food stamps for a while when he was a child. And he did lead the life of the starving college student. And he was a young professional who struggled to gain ground.

He may not be struggling now, but he remembers where he came from and he understands that many Americans are struggling with financial choices today. I believe that he does not think that anybody should have to make a choice between medical care, food or electric.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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I think there are several things that are important to note here:

1. I hope Barack & Michelle's girls get a good education, and have a good time, at their new school. Every kid deserves that, regardless of who they are.

2. Security is probably MUCH easier at a small private school than a large public school. And, unfortunately, that is absolutely necessary these days.

3. I find it ironic, however, that basically there is no federal politician who is willing to send their children to public school in Washington DC. I think THAT is a point worth pondering, because it has far-reaching implications.

I could not agree more. You would think they would fix their own backyard, instead of going somewhere else to play. Sad really, the entire country's public schools suck but for Washington DC's to suck says a lot about politicians, IMO.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:22 AM
 
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What you need to consider, though is that he understands the plight of the middle class because he did go without when he was a child. His mother even depended on food stamps for a while when he was a child. And he did lead the life of the starving college student. And he was a young professional who struggled to gain ground.

He may not be struggling now, but he remembers where he came from and he understands that many Americans are struggling with financial choices today. I believe that he does not think that anybody should have to make a choice between medical care, food or electric.

He only lived with his mother until he was 10. Sorry but that does not to me anyway give him rights to the "middle" class. He had a much better life and was given way more opportunity then the average person. Point is he did not have a family to support while being what you call "poor". He did not have responsibility he never had to choose between his kids medicine and his electric bill. He simply does not know what being "middle" class is. When he was without he was on his own, a college kid very different then raising a family on minimum wage.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:46 AM
 
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I could not agree more. You would think they would fix their own backyard, instead of going somewhere else to play. Sad really, the entire country's public schools suck but for Washington DC's to suck says a lot about politicians, IMO.
For what it's worth, all 3 of my kids went through public schools. Fortunately, we had good public schools to send them to. Additionally, we got involved as parents.

But you're right about the irony of the whole situation. Our nation's capital city is one of the single worst cities - in virtually every category - in the entire nation. Kind of like having a morbidly obese personal fitness instructor...
 
Old 11-25-2008, 08:47 AM
 
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I think you need a course on internet etiquette- I am not screaming. In the cyber world screaming is using all caps and raising your voice is all bold letters.

I've done none of that- I simply asked a question and stated my opinions.
You need to settle down. Or maybe you need to leave for awhile, and come back when you're able to carry on conversations in a more mature manner.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 09:46 AM
 
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Listen I have no problem with him getting a good education but face facts he IS not the "average" American, he IS a millionaire. His grandmother was a bank executive not just some teller, they were far from poor. He has no clue what it means to have your children hungry because you don't have enough money to buy them food or to decided whether to pay the electric or your kids doctor bill.
He was a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago; I think he has a vague idea.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 09:49 AM
 
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He only lived with his mother until he was 10. Sorry but that does not to me anyway give him rights to the "middle" class. He had a much better life and was given way more opportunity then the average person. Point is he did not have a family to support while being what you call "poor". He did not have responsibility he never had to choose between his kids medicine and his electric bill. He simply does not know what being "middle" class is. When he was without he was on his own, a college kid very different then raising a family on minimum wage.
His family definitely cared about education and they did sacrifice for him to go to good schools. Did he ever claim to have been poor? I dont understand what you're getting at.
 
Old 11-25-2008, 09:50 AM
 
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I don't blame them. I wouldn't send my kid to DC public schools either.
They may very well wish they could send their daughters to public school, but that would be very impractical for the children of a president. It's not so much an issue of whether or not the public schools provide a poor education as an issue of security. Sidwell Friends has been through this song and dance before, it just makes good sense to utilize them again.
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