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Old 02-10-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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They are extending the period for public comment and doing additional studies:
Also very, very good.

""In the biggest area that the Bush administration’s draft OCS plan proposes for oil and gas drilling — the Atlantic seaboard, from Maine to Florida — our data on available resources is very thin, and what little we have is twenty to thirty years old," he said. "We shouldn't make decisions to sell off taxpayer resources based on old information.""

Bush-era offshore drilling plan shelved - Environment- msnbc.com
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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I distinctly remember in his inauguration speech, he reminded us that we need to wean ourselves off of foreign oil, no? What happened already?
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Old 02-10-2009, 02:52 PM
 
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I distinctly remember in his inauguration speech, he reminded us that we need to wean ourselves off of foreign oil, no? What happened already?
As per the article:
"Salazar also ordered Interior Department experts to compile a report on the Outer Continental Shelf's energy potential — not just oil and gas, but also renewables like wind and wave energy.

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"I intend to issue a final rulemaking ... in the coming months, so that potential developers know the rules of the road," Salazar said. "This rulemaking will allow us to move from the 'oil and gas only' approach of the previous administration to the comprehensive energy plan that we need.""
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Yeah, the heck with developing our own sources of oil. We'll just continue to have to be involved in the middle east for the next 50 years.... No problem as the government is getting new hybrids thanks to the stimulus....
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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Yeah, the heck with developing our own sources of oil. We'll just continue to have to be involved in the middle east for the next 50 years.... No problem as the government is getting new hybrids thanks to the stimulus....
How do you propose that we get off of oil if alternate technologies are not considered or put in place? Or is it that you think that just being off of foregn oil is good enough? What is wrong with the government getting hybrids? I think it's a good sign of "the times they are a changin'."
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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How do you propose that we get off of oil if alternate technologies are not put in place? Or is it that you think that just being off of foregn oil is good enough? What is wrong with the government getting hybrids? I think it's a good sign of "the times they are a changin'."
Expensive change.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I distinctly remember in his inauguration speech, he reminded us that we need to wean ourselves off of foreign oil, no? What happened already?
We can't be fully independent from foreign oil, given the amount we consume. Obama's focus has been to rid ourselves of oil dependence from unfriendly nations and that can be achieved simply via conservation, much less developing alternative technologies.

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Expensive change.
In terms of dollars, may be. In terms of human lives, well we started to poke our nose into middle east in the late 1930s, turned an ally in Iran against us by sponsoring a coup...

Its change for the future. Deal with it.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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We can't be fully independent from foreign oil, given the amount we consume. Obama's focus has been to rid ourselves of oil dependence from unfriendly nations and that can be achieved simply via conservation, much less developing alternative technologies.


In terms of dollars, may be. In terms of human lives, well we started to poke our nose into middle east in the late 1930s, turned an ally in Iran against us by sponsoring a coup...

Its change for the future. Deal with it.
All the more reason to drill our own oil offshore instead of getting invoved further with the raggies and their nutball medieval religious onanism.

It's not like the cars are all going to go away just because you wave a fairy wand.

Deal with five-buck a gallon gas. Good luck with that future.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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All the more reason to drill our own oil offshore instead of getting invoved further with the raggies and their nutball medieval religious onanism.

It's not like the cars are all going to go away just because you wave a fairy wand.

Deal with five-buck a gallon gas. Good luck with that future.
Drilling offshore won't necessarily help U.S. - Opinion - USATODAY.com

Offshore Drilling Won't Help But 'Green Stimulus' Can | CommonDreams.org

Will More Drilling Mean Cheaper Gas? - TIME

Why Lifting The Offshore Oil Ban Won't Help Gas Prices

http://www.treehugger.com/offshore-drilling-graph.jpg (broken link)

We can cut consumption by ramping up funding for public transportation & mass transit and raising the gas tax....to name a few.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:42 PM
 
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They are extending the period for public comment and doing additional studies:
Also very, very good.

""In the biggest area that the Bush administration’s draft OCS plan proposes for oil and gas drilling — the Atlantic seaboard, from Maine to Florida — our data on available resources is very thin, and what little we have is twenty to thirty years old," he said. "We shouldn't make decisions to sell off taxpayer resources based on old information.""

Bush-era offshore drilling plan shelved - Environment- msnbc.com
So I guess they pretended to change to win the vote?

Obama Shows New Openness to Offshore Oil Drilling

Posted August 4, 2008
Sen. Barack Obama today softened his opposition to new offshore drilling, saying in a speech at Michigan State University that he is "willing to consider" allowing additional drilling in a limited number of offshore areas if it helps Congress pass energy legislation.
The announcement, which represents a departure from the Obama campaign's steady opposition to offshore drilling, quickly elicited "flip-flopping" charges, just as Sen. John McCain's call for expanded offshore drilling did earlier this summer. But it also appears to closely align with an energy plan recently put forth in Congress and hints at how lawmakers may plan to ultimately address the gas price crisis.

Obama Shows New Openness to Offshore Oil Drilling - US News and World Report



Democratic leader eases opposition to U.S. offshore oil drilling


WASHINGTON: Dropping her opposition to a vote on coastal oil exploration, Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House of Representatives, said that expanded offshore drilling would be considered as part of broad energy legislation when Congress returns next month.


In the weekly Democratic radio address on Saturday, Pelosi, the leader of the Democratic majority in the House, criticized Republicans as focusing too narrowly on offshore drilling as a solution to high fuel prices but said she would bow to demands that the House revisit a drilling ban that has been imposed annually since the 1980s.


She said that legislation being assembled by Democrats "will consider opening portions of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling, with appropriate safeguards."


"We hope our Republican colleagues will join in a bipartisan effort, not only to increase domestic supply, but also to help consumers and to protect the environment," Pelosi said in the broadcast.

The decision came after growing anxiety among Democrats that Republicans were scoring politically with their call for a vote on offshore drilling. Although Congress is on its August break, a rotating group of House Republicans has rallied daily on the House floor, demanding that Pelosi call lawmakers back for a vote to allow oil companies to pursue offshore resources.



Democratic leader eases opposition to U.S. offshore oil drilling - International Herald Tribune
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