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Old 05-10-2010, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yes, the GOP wouldn't have much of a chance of picking up this seat if Murtha didn't pass away. However, that dos not mean the district hasn't trended Republican. This seat being competitive has much more to do with the changing political landscape of Pennsylvania (western PA trending GOP, eastern PA trending Democratic) than anything Obama or anything else.
Incorrect. I believe obama is hovering somewhere in the 30's in approval. His HC is very unpopular in the state.

I know the Left will attempt to deny that election losses are the fault of obama, but that won't fly. This election, unlike others, WILL BE a referendum on his radical policies and how the democrats have lied, cheated, and ignored the American people in their zeal to get a "win" for obama.

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Sanrene, do not forget that the trader Jack Murtha never apologized to our heros for lying and being wrong like most dems are when he accused them of killing innocent people. And of course you did not see one dem hold him accountable for his stab in the back to our military heros either.
Can't forget that. The man was scum.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Yes, the GOP wouldn't have much of a chance of picking up this seat if Murtha didn't pass away. However, that dos not mean the district hasn't trended Republican. This seat being competitive has much more to do with the changing political landscape of Pennsylvania (western PA trending GOP, eastern PA trending Democratic) than anything Obama or anything else.

So what you are saying is Murtha took his paycheck and did not earn it by working for his people?
If he was so good and could not be beaten wouldnt that be out of him doing a fine job?
If this was trending towards REP then that to me would mean people were disgusted in the horrific job Murtha did and of course his backroom deals to put money in his pocket. Add in the trader comments about our heros and he was going to be toast this time around.

Face it, the entire country is changing thanks to the failures of the Obama administration and the worse congress in American history lead by the demwits of Pelosi and Reid.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Incorrect. I believe obama is hovering somewhere in the 30's in approval. His HC is very unpopular in the state.

I know the Left will attempt to deny that election losses are the fault of obama, but that won't fly. This election, unlike others, WILL BE a referendum on his radical policies and how the democrats have lied, cheated, and ignored the American people in their zeal to get a "win" for obama.



Can't forget that. The man was scum.
His approvals are not in the 30's in PA. Perhaps in parts of western PA, but not the state as a whole. I don't see how a special election in a district Obama did not even win can be viewed as a reflection on Obama.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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So what you are saying is Murtha took his paycheck and did not earn it by working for his people?
If he was so good and could not be beaten wouldnt that be out of him doing a fine job?
If this was trending towards REP then that to me would mean people were disgusted in the horrific job Murtha did and of course his backroom deals to put money in his pocket. Add in the trader comments about our heros and he was going to be toast this time around.

Face it, the entire country is changing thanks to the failures of the Obama administration and the worse congress in American history lead by the demwits of Pelosi and Reid.

It was trending GOP for pretty much the same reason the suburban Philly districts have trended Democratic, because of changes in the national parties. As time has gone on some of the areas in PA where each party is strong in has changed. For decades the Democratic strength was concentrated in Philly proper, Scranton/Wilkes Barre and western PA, the GOP strength was concentrated in central PA & suburban Philly. However, times have changed. Over the past couple decades the Democrats have picked up more support in suburban areas, the GOP has picked up more support in Appalachia areas. This is exactly what has happened in PA. The Democrats are still strong in Philly, and Scranton Wilkes Barre, but are not nearly as strong in western PA. outside of Pittsburgh, its immediate suburbs and perhaps Erie, western PA has trended Republican like many areas in Appalachia. On the other hand while the GOP is still strong in central PA, and have made gains in western PA, they have lost massive ground in suburban Philly. The complete implosion of the Republican Party in suburban Philly is actually what played a large role in Specter switching parties.
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Old 05-11-2010, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The complete implosion of the Republican Party in suburban Philly is actually what played a large role in Specter switching parties.
Completely wrong.

Senate races aren't determined/restricted by districts. What led to him switching parties was a realization that STATEWIDE republicans/conservatives have had enough of him. It is really that simple.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:39 AM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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Murtha won because he was Murtha and loved by people in his district/area. Democrat or Republican, he would have won. Believe me, I live in this area and Murtha brought a ton of projects/money here. If Critz can convince his constituents that he will pick up where Murtha left off then he stands a chance, if not then Burns stands a pretty good chance even though the area is heavily democratic.

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Old 05-11-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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Specter is finished. He's running an ad using global warming as a gimmick and his opponent is using an ad with him and Palin and Bush. He's dropped about 5 points in the last week and will drop another 5 or so by election day.
The Philly pa suburbs out to Harrisburg are an interesting area. Its becoming less conservative and less liberal as newcomers settle in and interact. Its big on talk radio( local and nationally syndicated) and people vote for issues and candidates not by party so much.
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Completely wrong.

Senate races aren't determined/restricted by districts. What led to him switching parties was a realization that STATEWIDE republicans/conservatives have had enough of him. It is really that simple.

You missed my point completely. Specter's base has pretty much always been moderates in suburban Philly. For many years these suburban Philly moderates were Republicans, so when it came down to Primary contests they supported Specter. Specter won in 2004 over Toomey in the Primary largely because of the margins he put up in suburban Philly. However, these suburban Philly moderates and Rockefeller type Republicans became increasingly unhappy with the rightward movement in the Republican Party. Over the past few years in PA, you had an enormous tide in voting registration switches from GOP to Democratic centered in the Philly suburbs. Quite simply Specter's base left the Republican Party. Yes, he realized he could not win a Primary against Toomey, but the reason is because the suburban Philly voting base he counted to win the Primary were no longer registered Republicans.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You missed my point completely. Specter's base has pretty much always been moderates in suburban Philly. For many years these suburban Philly moderates were Republicans, so when it came down to Primary contests they supported Specter. Specter won in 2004 over Toomey in the Primary largely because of the margins he put up in suburban Philly. However, these suburban Philly moderates and Rockefeller type Republicans became increasingly unhappy with the rightward movement in the Republican Party. Over the past few years in PA, you had an enormous tide in voting registration switches from GOP to Democratic centered in the Philly suburbs. Quite simply Specter's base left the Republican Party. Yes, he realized he could not win a Primary against Toomey, but the reason is because the suburban Philly voting base he counted to win the Primary were no longer registered Republicans.
Oh please. You're trying to say that disaffected, disenchanted CONSERVATIVES switched to the democrat party?

Absurd.

Specter's problem is not with moderates, it is with CONSERVATIVES and that is WHY he could not win a republican primary.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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Oh please. You're trying to say that disaffected, disenchanted CONSERVATIVES switched to the democrat party?
That would be impossible because there is no such party.
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