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Old 06-05-2013, 10:04 PM
 
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I also could come here posting a blonde turkish actor and a dark haired swedish actor? so whats the point?

I was talking about generalities, like spanish and italians tend to be on average darker than the French people, the Brits and Irish are on average darker than germans.
That is exactly what you do though. You post pictures of British and Irish people with darker colouring to represent all the looks of the British Isles. The average look is really somewhere in between. You also continually say that there are no natural blonds in the British Isles which is far from fact.

 
Old 06-05-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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That is exactly what you do though. You post pictures of British and Irish people with darker colouring to represent all the looks of the British Isles. The average look is really somewhere in between. You also continually say that there are no natural blonds in the British Isles which is far from fact.

Im not telling british look like middle eastern, my point is british people arent really germanic type of people (like germans, dutch, scandinavians are) despite speaking a predominantly germanic language. British on reality are closer to french (specially northern french) in anything else but language, in the other hand british are different to germanics in anything but language.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 11:12 PM
 
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Im not telling british look like middle eastern, my point is british people arent really germanic type of people (like germans, dutch, scandinavians are) despite speaking a predominantly germanic language. British on reality are closer to french (specially northern french) in anything else but language, in the other hand british are different to germanics in anything but language.
No worries then. That sounds a bit closer to the mark. I think the Welsh and Cornish are the populations from that study that are closer to the Northern French.
 
Old 06-06-2013, 02:18 AM
 
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The PoBI evidence points firmly to a large influx of Anglo-Saxon DNA but also the presence in modern descendants of a substantial amount of an ‘ancient British’ DNA which most closely matches the DNA of modern inhabitants of France and Ireland. This led the researchers to conclude that there had been an intermingling between the existing Romano-British population and the newcomer Anglo-Saxons, rather than a full-scale population wipe-out.

“Broadly speaking, people look very similar to each other at the DNA level from one end of the UK to the other, so the differences we found were subtle but nonetheless real,” says Donnelly.

By the final analysis, there were 17 cluster groups (see map) with north and south Wales showing two very separate clusters. There were also two distinct groups in the Orkney Islands. But by far the biggest homogeneous region was a large swathe of southern and central England (pictured in red on the map). The researchers then compared their PoBI results with DNA data from 7,000 people in Europe to try to trace the ancestry of the British DNA. It was clear that the Orkney islanders had Norwegian ancestors, while the red central and southern English cluster had the largest Belgian, Danish and German contribution (relating to the Anglo-Saxon invasion and perhaps later supplemented in places by the Vikings). The Cornish and Welsh had more similarity with the modern French, while people in Northern Ireland and Western Scotland have substantial common Irish ancestry.

Equally it’s clear from the PoBI results that both the Roman and Norman invasions left relatively little genetic trace in Britain, being restricted to a relatively small number of elite rulers.


The PoBI project has a two-page write-up in Oxford Today, which can be downloaded from http://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/Article2013.pdf

This project is ongoing and they are still sampling people. It will be awhile before the full results are published. The people that are used had to have all 4 grandparents born in the same locality.
 
Old 06-06-2013, 04:06 AM
 
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His German parents' family name was Schlachta, a name I have never come across in Southern Germany.
There is a German site where one can look up the geographical distribution of family names, for Schlachta it looks like this:
Verteilung des Namens "Schlachta" in Deutschland - verwandt.de

More likely than not his parents came from the northern half of Germany...

Schlachta...I believe there's a place with that name near Onasbruck...It means "slaughter". The place in which Varro's legions were destroyed by Herminius.
 
Old 06-06-2013, 04:20 AM
 
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Everything according to Oppenheimer. As to Irish, those probably were the earliests settlers that developed their own subclades.
 
Old 06-06-2013, 05:56 AM
 
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Schlachta...I believe there's a place with that name near Onasbruck...It means "slaughter". The place in which Varro's legions were destroyed by Herminius.
I guess you mean Varusschlacht, in this case Schlacht simply means battle, it is not a place name. The place where that battle took place is still unknown, actually.
 
Old 06-06-2013, 06:03 AM
 
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Im not telling british look like middle eastern, my point is british people arent really germanic type of people (like germans, dutch, scandinavians are) despite speaking a predominantly germanic language. British on reality are closer to french (specially northern french) in anything else but language, in the other hand british are different to germanics in anything but language.


Brits closer to French than to Dutch or Germans? Have you ever been to the UK? LOL
Since you like posting pointless photos, I'll do the same...

English football crowd:


"Kraut" football crowd:




Dutch fans:


French football supporters:



all chosen randomly....
 
Old 06-06-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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I guess you mean Varusschlacht, in this case Schlacht simply means battle, it is not a place name. The place where that battle took place is still unknown, actually.

Oh, yes...the place was found by an English postman... There's a museum, guided tour....Karkolze or something like that...near Osnabruck (the site of another battle).
 
Old 06-06-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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This is specially for Don Caballero and Traveller 86.
The British and Irish are as Northern European as the Dutch and more than the Germans. Baltic, Celtic, Germanic and Finnic people live and lived in Northern Europe. The British and Irish mostly belong to the Celtic and Germanic-speaking groups. The Celtic element is more dominant in Ireland, parts of Scotland, Wales, Cornwall while the Germanic element is more dominant in England and again parts of Scotland. So within a British Isles population, you always get across those two elements interchangeably especially since transportation was mordernized. This increased population movements and migration.

Typical Celtic people as a whole have the highest frequency of red hair, and of a very pale skin complexion in Europe. Most have light eyes, especially the Irish who even surpass most Germanic
groups are more similar to Scandinavians in that respect. The examples below are typical.






The Germanic group of the British Isles became dominant, since the Anglo-Saxon invasion, and was
re-enforced by the Viking invasions. This doesn't that there were no Germanics in Britain before that.
They occupied the lowlands which were more fertile and pushed the Celts westwards. Traditionally areas of Germanic had a higher frequency of blondism than most Celtic areas.





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