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Old 09-26-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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There's a large fascist movement in Greece today that has 18 seats in their parliament, out of a total of 300. You might laugh at that small size, but the group is similar to the original Nazis, hence a seat of one would be scary. The group's denial of supporting nazism is absurd and ridiculous, especially since their flag is so much like the original Nazi flag.

There are far right groups and politicians in all European countries, but none of them have a solidified name or symbols. The Nazi party and symbol are illegal in Germany and Holocaust denial is a crime in most of Europe. You'd think that the other countries besides Greece would have a similar quasi-Nazi group.

Also, isn't there one in Russia?

I am fearful that the current one in Greece will inspire copycats through the rest of Europe. They recently murdered a peaceful rap musician and no one has been arrested.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Novy Jicin, Czech Republic
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It is no secret that there are a lot of extreme right-wing political parties across Europe, but I am not sure if they are fascist. I would say Jobbik in Hungary might be considered fascist, but I am not sure about it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Jobbik is as fascist as the Italian fascist party during 1922-1945.

As long as Putin and his qlique is in charge in Russia, fascist/nazi parties have no chances of success. Most neo-nazi organizations in Europe are weak, small and completely insignificant, populated by morons, glue-sniffers and petty criminals, and have no credibility. The Hell's Angels are a more significant force to be dealt with than any fascist group.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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Jobbik is as fascist as the Italian fascist party during 1922-1945.

As long as Putin and his qlique is in charge in Russia, fascist/nazi parties have no chances of success.
Actually I see it the other way around.
Although on one hand Putin's government is trying to clamp down on nationalist organizations, on another hand it breeds racial hatred as it hasn't been seen in Russia for ages.
His government serves first and utmost the interests of the ruling class, worshiping the golden calf, and that means big demand for cheap labor, that comes in droves from former Soviet Republics of Central Asia for the most part. The immigration to Russia ( both legal and illegal) is only second to the US, and Russia doesn't even have a guarded border with Tajikistan. Since Tajikistan's economy is in shambles after the fall of the Soviet Union, the natives of these lands agree to work for pennies in Russia, slaving their labor away.
A lot of Russians feel replaced by the army of immigrants, and not in control of their own country any longer, which in turn breeds hatred in them towards the minorities, the kind that they didn't have back in Soviet days. The constant clashes with Caucasians, who come in search of jobs and profits to Russia proper, only make the matter worse.
Practically at any anti-Putin's rally the black and yellow banners of Russian Nationalist organizations can be seen. Although they are not exactly fascists and don't claim to be, fascists are an extreme form of the same ideas, really, so fascist organizations ( as outlawed by Putin as they are) definitely exist in Russia.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Holland
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How come all these people who worry about the right wing never worry about the left wing and the extreme left wing? And why do they always ignore why so called right wing groups and/or fascists come to rise again and again and again?
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:31 AM
 
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How come all these people who worry about the right wing never worry about the left wing and the extreme left wing? And why do they always ignore why so called right wing groups and/or fascists come to rise again and again and again?
Is there a rising extreme left wing movement in Greece, looking all kinds of crazy with the hammer and sickle, that we don't know about?

I'd like to hear your argument that the "extreme left" is gaining ground in Western Europe.
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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It is no secret that there are a lot of extreme right-wing political parties across Europe, but I am not sure if they are fascist. I would say Jobbik in Hungary might be considered fascist, but I am not sure about it.
Part of Mussolini's entry in the 1932 Italian Encyclopedia entry on Fascism (public domain, no copyright restrictions):

"Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....
...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress...."

Internet History Sourcebooks
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Old 09-27-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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Fascism or a type of proto-Fascism has hit Europe because of the hard times and the massive immigration from the Middle East and Africa. Because there are few jobs to go around people get angry and feel that the few jobs that are actually available belong to nationals, not immigrants. Thus they attack the established order as responsible for their problems.

Although the German Weimar Republic in the 20's lacked the massive immigration that Europe is now experiencing, they nevertheless were subject to very hard economic times, thus blaming the Jews for their problems.

We shouldn't think this is only in Europe. The rise of the Tea Party in the U.S. has elements of fascism, racism, xenophobia and blame the poor and immigrants.

Bottom line: Times of economic downturn breed these groups, and for the moment they are here to stay until things get better.
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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Fascism or a type of proto-Fascism has hit Europe because of the hard times and the massive immigration from the Middle East and Africa. Because there are few jobs to go around people get angry and feel that the few jobs that are actually available belong to nationals, not immigrants. Thus they attack the established order as responsible for their problems.

Bottom line: Times of economic downturn breed these groups, and for the moment they are here to stay until things get better.
I agree, unemployment in Greece is now 30%. That's not a typo.

Factoid: a lot of Arab people move to Scandinavia and can't find jobs. Then they move to England, and they can find jobs.

The lack of assimilation is a problem to many in France and the low countries. A lot of Arab people insist on different holidays and won't work on those holidays. But I think that's okay, if they explain it to their employers ahead of time.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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It all comes down to fear, and the ruling elite's inability to take that (often very justified) fear away.
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