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From what I have read about it it wasn't attempted genocide. It was ethnic cleansing with little care for the fate of the victims due to prejudice and inability of the authorities to care for them. Bad organization, enmity and all those human indecencies we all like to sweep under the carpet.
Armenians have a right to be pissed off about it.
It’s similar to what happened to the Japanese during WWII except instead of of being wound up and thrown into internment camps, the Turks came and slaughtered them. From what I’ve read the Armenians were a real 5th column threat, but still that was really extreme and was legitimate ethnic cleansing/genocide.
I’m well aware of Azeri ancient origin, in contemporary issues that fact is almost irrelevant, the culture has been completely changed, they don’t associate them selves with Iranic people anymore.
Except for that Southern part of Azerbaijan is still part of Iran and Azeri language is the second most spoken in Iran.
I don't know yet whether this can be a factor in a bigger game or not.
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Similar to how most Turks are not very different from the ancient Anatolians/Greeks that proceeded the Turkish invasion, but the people there had their culture exterminated and forgotten.
It's "exterminated and forgotten" precisely because the Anatolians/Greeks were overtaken by an alien ( unrelated) nation, with different religion/culture, that killed the original one, and as the result of the genetic mixture between Greeks/Anatolians and nomadic Asians the modern Turkish nation was born.
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Or how a good chunk of Russians in the north are of Uralic decent, but their culture has also been forgotten and now they just think of themselves as nothing more than your typical Russian. Language is a very strong influence on culture, or rather it’s a byproduct of it, sort of a chicken and the egg question.
Huh?
Of course not.
People of "Uralic group" - i.e. Khanty, Mansi and such still retain their identity that is separate from ethnic Russians, in spite of the language.
Did you even watch that video by Deutche Welle I posted earlier?
Now as far as Iran and the Nagorno-Karabakh question goes, from my understanding Iran has close relations with Armenia,
Not sure about that one, since Armenia is NOT a muslim country, but it appears that Iran is taking Armenia's side in the conflict, (which might change down the line.)
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so Turkey and Iran could very well find themselves on opposing sides on this issue, wouldn’t be surprised if this issue erupted that Iran would take this opportunity to try and absorb Turkish Kurdistan (who are Iranic people), or carve a client state out.
Don't know about that one either, since Moscow didn't say its final word.
And it looks like Russians want to keep Turkey out of it, leaving this conflict strictly between the two - Azerbaijan and Armenia, as it was before.
@Erasure, well I guess I use the term “Uralic” to broadly, I should’ve been more precise and say Finnic, for example Ingria which is modern day Leningrad Oblast, as well as other ancient Finnic people such as the Chuds, and yes Russia still has many Finnic minority groups, but historically speaking most of them got assimilated into Slavic culture early on, like Kieven Rus times.
And yes Azeris still live in Iran too, but they are still a distinct culture similar to how Tatars, even though well integrated, are still a distinct culture in Russia.
And about Turks, yes they migrated in from Asia, but if you look at their faces now, there is very little Asian feature on them compared to say Kazakhs, and look almost indistinguishable from modern Greeks, that’s because the Anatolians out numbered the Turks so although the culture got forcefully converted the original Turkish blood got washed out so to speak.
It’s similar to what happened to the Japanese during WWII except instead of of being wound up and thrown into internment camps, the Turks came and slaughtered them. From what I’ve read the Armenians were a real 5th column threat, but still that was really extreme and was legitimate ethnic cleansing/genocide.
Yeah, it was a terrible episode. I think I'm being too picky with terms. Trying to be too exact in definition of the terms. There's no denying it was a heinous act from the start.
@Erasure, well I guess I use the term “Uralic” to broadly, I should’ve been more precise and say Finnic, for example Ingria which is modern day Leningrad Oblast, as well as other ancient Finnic people such as the Chuds, and yes Russia still has many Finnic minority groups, but historically speaking most of them got assimilated into Slavic culture early on, like Kieven Rus times.
And yes Azeris still live in Iran too, but they are still a distinct culture similar to how Tatars, even though well integrated, are still a distinct culture in Russia.
And about Turks, yes they migrated in from Asia, but if you look at their faces now, there is very little Asian feature on them compared to say Kazakhs, and look almost indistinguishable from modern Greeks, that’s because the Anatolians out numbered the Turks so although the culture got forcefully converted the original Turkish blood got washed out so to speak.
Grega, Tatars are unrelated to Russians, plus they are muslims, while Russians are not.
Azeris in Iran ( although different somewhat - it looks like they were their own thing from ancient times to begin with,) were related to Persians and they are Shia muslims as the rest of Iranians ( unlike Turks who are Sunnis.)
This whole "close ties to Turkey" thing is more recent development indeed.
Now I remember that Zhirinovsky the Lunatic mentioned during his yesterday's ranting that back in the 90ies, during the fall of the Soviet Union Americans said to Soviet ( or rather post-Soviet government) that Russia should leave Caucasus and Turkey will take over.
And that's what happened for the most part, in case of Azerbaijan in particular.
Other than that, this girl could have been my relative ( on that side of a family, coz she has a very similar look) - and she is definitely not Turkish.
And about Turks, yes they migrated in from Asia, but if you look at their faces now, there is very little Asian feature on them compared to say Kazakhs, and look almost indistinguishable from modern Greeks, that’s because the Anatolians out numbered the Turks so although the culture got forcefully converted the original Turkish blood got washed out so to speak.
You have it backwards. Modern Greeks are hellenized Turks (and slavs). That's why they "look" Turkic. Turk's aren't mongols so they never had east "Asian" features.
Don't know about that one either, since Moscow didn't say its final word.
And it looks like Russians want to keep Turkey out of it, leaving this conflict strictly between the two - Azerbaijan and Armenia, as it was before.
LOL, that's comedy right there. Nobody cares what Moscow thinks or says in Azerbaijan. It's Turkey that calls the shots. First in Syria, next in Libya and now here. As long as the fighting doesn't take place inside of it's ally Armenia (it's not) then Russia has no say over the matter.
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