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Old 01-31-2018, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Russia
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There were no purely military targets large enough which could be attacked.
Why did the bomb in Hiroshima was dropped at the city center, but not on warehouses with weapons?

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Russians don't believe in Holodomor either, so it's quite irrelevant, isn't it?
Russians do not want to speculate on the Holodomor.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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There were no purely military targets large enough which could be attacked.

Russians don't believe in Holodomor either, so it's quite irrelevant, isn't it?
You're full of BS.

The bombs did not have to be dropped on a city or any city for that matter. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were picked because so far they were largely untouched by war. They wanted to see first hand just what they could do. Considering what happened in Korea and other places the actions of the US are not irrelevant. Russia has a reason not to trust America and anyone associated with us.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The bombs did not have to be dropped on a city or any city for that matter. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were picked because so far they were largely untouched by war. They wanted to see first hand just what they could do. Considering what happened in Korea and other places the actions of the US are not irrelevant. Russia has a reason not to trust America and anyone associated with us.
OF COURSE the US wanted to see the real effect of a new weapon that changed humanity. But it also gave a clear signal to the Japanese that the US can now inflict terrible damage on Japan without taking any casualties themselves, which within a week changed the Japanese mindset from "never surrender even if 90% of us dies" to unconditional surrender as long as Hirohito is allowed to remain Head of State.

What happened in Korea? North Korea attacked suddenly?

Quite bold of you to call me full of BS, when you have sold your soul to the Soviets, and are more full of soviet propaganda than any Russian alive. You're no better than the holocaust deniers. Disgusting.

I'm f**king done with this thread.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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They could attack military targets. But they attacked the city. And they knew that children, women, old people would die in terrible agony for several days. Russians do not believe in your tales of saved Japanese lives.
First of all, just like Hitler in Germany, many Americans think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atrocious.

The problem is that the tune over those events changed over the years. No one had a problem with the bombings back then, that's a recent phenomenon.

So Russia, talking about Hiroshima like a major tragedy is ridiculous. They were fine with it back then as it saved them from having to enter into conflict either Japan.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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There were no purely military targets large enough which could be attacked.

Russians don't believe in Holodomor either, so it's quite irrelevant, isn't it?
Where do you get that from? The Soviet famine was even taught in Soviet schools in the 80's.

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OF COURSE the US wanted to see the real effect of a new weapon that changed humanity. But it also gave a clear signal to the Japanese that the US can now inflict terrible damage on Japan without taking any casualties themselves, which within a week changed the Japanese mindset from "never surrender even if 90% of us dies" to unconditional surrender as long as Hirohito is allowed to remain Head of State.

What happened in Korea? North Korea attacked suddenly?

Quite bold of you to call me full of BS, when you have sold your soul to the Soviets, and are more full of soviet propaganda than any Russian alive. You're no better than the holocaust deniers. Disgusting.

I'm f**king done with this thread.
Please stick around.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:04 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Presumption of innocence.


He is disqualified. Can you tell me what illegal drugs he used? When? Where? If you can not say this, then you must agree that your post is a stupid propaganda.

I'm waiting for an answers.
The IOC says their independent review panel has "serious indications" of doping in his past. No presumption of innocence can be given to any Russian athlete who competed in Sochi.

Perhaps Putin should have thought of this before he directed the FSB to help cheat on doping for his Sochi games. Do you really think those Russian bobsledders were clean? He ruined the careers of some clean Olympic athletes and he wants to use his propaganda to blame someone else for his actions. Well that just made the IOC come down harder and punish the whole country for Putin's actions. That's your problem, not the big bad "West"
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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It's not comparable. As awful as the atomic bombs were, they ended the war and possibly saved millions of Japanese lives.

Where I agree that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not comparable, the atomic bombs could have ended the war without killing a single human being. As it was proposed even by some scientists working on the Manhattan Project, all it took was to invite some Japanese authorities to a test......they would have got religion.

Like you said yourself, "it would have given a clear signal to the Japanese that the US can now inflict terrible damage on Japan without taking any casualties themselves".

The final result would have been the same....the argument that it "saved many more lives than it took" is bogus.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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The first time I've heard.
The problem of Jehovah’s Witnesses is that they actively propagate their religion. They walk around a flats and houses, communicate with old people. Scammers use this.

If you sit quietly and do not offer sacrifices, you can pray at even vibrators, no one cares about you.
Banning the Jehovah Witnesses will make them even more determined in their beliefs. Their religion thrives on persecution and they believe it is end times now. Banning them will not end them, but make the people more justified in their beliefs.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:19 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Where I agree that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not comparable, the atomic bombs could have ended the war without killing a single human being. As it was proposed even by some scientists working on the Manhattan Project, all it took was to invite some Japanese authorities to a test......they would have got religion.

Like you said yourself, "it would have given a clear signal to the Japanese that the US can now inflict terrible damage on Japan without taking any casualties themselves".

The final result would have been the same....the argument that it "saved many more lives than it took" is bogus.
Got news for you Soviet educated folks, world war 2 was not as you were taught, sorry to say. We were getting ready to invade Kyushu at the time as my own grandpa was part of that army so I am aware of it in detail. Hiroshima was the main HQ of the Japanese army tasked with resistingr that invasion, as well as a major supply port to Kyushu, which would have been vital at the time of our planned invasion. It was absolutely a military target embedded in the middle of a city. Japanese should be thankful for the bomb that kept millions more of them from dying...if Okinawa was any indication there would have been massive destruction far in excess of the A-bomb.

So keep your Stalin propaganda to yourself, we knew how to end the war without invading Japan and it worked.
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Old 01-31-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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Got news for you Soviet educated folks, world war 2 was not as you were taught, sorry to say. We were getting ready to invade Kyushu at the time as my own grandpa was part of that army so I am aware of it in detail. Hiroshima was the main HQ of the Japanese army tasked with resistingr that invasion, as well as a major supply port to Kyushu, which would have been vital at the time of our planned invasion. It was absolutely a military target embedded in the middle of a city. Japanese should be thankful for the bomb that kept millions more of them from dying...if Okinawa was any indication there would have been massive destruction far in excess of the A-bomb.

So keep your Stalin propaganda to yourself, we knew how to end the war without invading Japan and it worked.

In your rant you do not even address what I was saying.....next time read first before lettingthe keyboard loose....
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