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View Poll Results: What should Europe do with the Muslims and its growing population?
Ban all new Islamic immigration 20 43.48%
Ban Sharia law 28 60.87%
Ban Islamic clothing 15 32.61%
Ban Halal food 9 19.57%
Restrict Muslims from having many kids 9 19.57%
Remove all their welfare 15 32.61%
Ban Islamic schools & educate kids in public 19 41.30%
Ban buildings of new mosques 15 32.61%
Other(s) 6 13.04%
Nothing, freedom of religion 13 28.26%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-20-2014, 04:05 PM
 
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1. stop the inflow of them
2. deport those who are already here.
unfortunately you can't achieve point 2 through democracy.


eurabia is alive and well. did you know that 15% of the french muslims are in favour of isis? or that ethnic swedes are projected to be a minority in sweden somewhere between 2038-2060. or that sweden's prime minister openly declared that he prioritize mass immigration in front of new investments in the swedish welfare system last week in the run up to the swedish election in september.
not that i care about were this country is headed. most people here are so naive and stupid regarding these issues, that they deserve to be weeded out. they want islam and islamism, and they'll soon see their wishes come true. then they'll get what they deserve, when living under sharia law (all trendy feminists, leftist, liberals, hippies, hipster or what have you). the only sad thing is that that we long-sighted swedes (perhaps 10% of the population) will be adversely affected too.

sweden will probably be refered to as the caliphate of the north

it's hard to comprehend, but the situation really is that bad.
what is wrong with the sweedish left ?

are they masochists who have a death wish for sweeden as a nation , they appear to loathe anything which resembles traditional western european values or culture
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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The sooner religion (primitive superstition) is consigned to the proverbial dustbin the better.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:14 PM
 
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colonizing European countries and your ultra liberal laws can't stop their immigration. There is literally nothing you can do unless you do a 180 degree shift in your policies. And lets face it, that isn't going to happen.

It's too late.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Omaha Nebraska and dreamland when I am sleeping
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Burqa or Niqab should be banned everywhere.
I agree
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: NYC, CHI, UK
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The sooner religion (primitive superstition) is consigned to the proverbial dustbin the better.
Agree. It's all sky fairy worship. Whatever the faith.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Agree. It's all sky fairy worship. Whatever the faith.
except xtians do it with food and a smile before they take your land and riches. Muslims cut off your head with a small knife. Sometimes, they don't even sharpen it. Maybe, Putin should go after them instead of Ukraine. He tamed Chechnya...somewhat.
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Old 08-21-2014, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Slovakia
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I would close the EU borders and change immigration laws.

Only educated, young people (18-35) able to blend in and people with professional experience in areas with labor shortage would be allowed into the EU.
They would not be granted citizenship and would have certain period of time to prove they are able to find and keep the job in their respected areas. If they fail to do so they would be asked to leave.
As for the religion they shall be granted freedom of religion but only to a certain extent so it will not intercept local ethical codex, laws and cultural traditions.

Current situation is a pure madness.
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Old 08-21-2014, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I would close the EU borders and change immigration laws.

Only educated, young people (18-35) able to blend in and people with professional experience in areas with labor shortage would be allowed into the EU.
Good idea, but let's look at which professions are deemed shortage occupations in Austria:

1. Milling machinists
2. Roofers
3. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for mechanical engineering
4. Metal turners
5. Welders, cutting torch operators
6. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for power engineering technology
7. Graduate power engineers
8. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for data processing
9. Concrete constructors
10. Construction tinsmiths
11. Specialty tinsmiths
12. Electrical installers, electrical fitters
13. Graduate engineers in mechanical engineering
14. Power engineers
15. Agricultural equipment engineers
16. Graduate nurses

So, only 6 out of 16 professions need some sort of higher education, that may be a college degree or just a "Gesellenabschluss", something you'll get after 9 years of school and a couple of years in the field.
Conclusio: Austria (and I bet it's the same in other European countries) doesn't need nor want immigrants with multiple PhDs or MBAs. We need hard working people that are able and willing to slave away hours in a job that's physically exhausting.
That's how we got Muslim immigrants from developing countries in the first place.You could call that a double-edged sword.
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Old 08-21-2014, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Slovakia
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Good idea, but let's look at which professions are deemed shortage occupations in Austria:

1. Milling machinists
2. Roofers
3. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for mechanical engineering
4. Metal turners
5. Welders, cutting torch operators
6. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for power engineering technology
7. Graduate power engineers
8. Technicians with a higher level of training (engineer) for data processing
9. Concrete constructors
10. Construction tinsmiths
11. Specialty tinsmiths
12. Electrical installers, electrical fitters
13. Graduate engineers in mechanical engineering
14. Power engineers
15. Agricultural equipment engineers
16. Graduate nurses

So, only 6 out of 16 professions need some sort of higher education, that may be a college degree or just a "Gesellenabschluss", something you'll get after 9 years of school and a couple of years in the field.
Conclusio: Austria (and I bet it's the same in other European countries) doesn't need nor want immigrants with multiple PhDs or MBAs. We need hard working people that are able and willing to slave away hours in a job that's physically exhausting.
That's how we got Muslim immigrants from developing countries in the first place.You could call that a double-edged sword.
In Austria and other German-speaking countries the problem is especially German language. I work for Swiss company here in Slovakia and only recently they started using English language as a primary language, because they weren't able to find any people who speak German and have experience with CAD softwares they use, most problematic situation is in China and India. So even if a potential candidate has an education or experience in let's say roofing or engineerign if you don't speak German .... Auf Wiedersehen

And when I say "educated peolpe" I don't mean university degree.
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Old 08-21-2014, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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So even if a potential candidate has an education or experience in let's say roofing or engineerign if you don't speak German .... Auf Wiedersehen
As a roofer in Austria, it's more like "if you don't speak Serbocroatian... Do viđenja!". To be honest, if the situation in German speaking countries was anything like what you describe it to be, there wouldn't be much of a "Multikulti" debate over here to begin with.

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And when I say "educated peolpe" I don't mean university degree.
So you propose that there should be a government official that decides whether someone is educated just by interviewing that person? "Oh, you seem like a nice guy... You are probably educated."

While I agree that a college degree, a "HTL Abschluss" or a "Gesellenbrief" won't guarantee that a person is educated in a broader sense, it's a good indicator for that.
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