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I have many friends from Europe and none of them would trade what they have to work in America.
Same here .. all my husbands family which is also mine since most of mine are gone and our friends . NO one , especially the ones who have been here would ever trade what they have there for this . So it's not all like people stuck off in random villages . This also includes different countries not just Holland . I hate to say it but the healthcare issues and the gun culture and what they see as the lack of respect towards the working class- they just aren't having .
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Originally Posted by OptimusPrime69
I prefer Europe to America overall.
Not undermining America and the many great things here, but if I could just choose and like POOF i could move? I would choose Switzerland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Norway, Finland, Denmark to live over the US any day.....
The US is filled with jingoism and violence. The whole gun culture and evangelical christian element ... don't appeal to me at all. The food in the US is not so great (granted there are fantastic restaurants in every city) but overall...regular American food from the millions of chain restaurants everywhere is pretty much garbage IMO. Big box stores, endless suburbia....no thanks. Divisive politics? Willful and extreme ignorance is practically celebrated in America. Debt accumulation is a right of passage in America. . . I mean really?
This is an excellent post and I could not have said it better .. People who have LIVED there then back here will understand this better than just the tourists or people who have never been so I do not expect everyone to "get it " but this is true and you are correct. I am sure we will accumulate the funds and the other immigration prerequisites ( for me as an American - our youngest is dual) to go back, it has just been really difficult to do that and continue to have a roof over our heads here . He has paid enough into this system here to never require a sponsor but has no plans to pay the $700 to become a citizen. Perm resident is enough .
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I have many friends from Europe and none of them would trade what they have to work in America.
The main reason for that is you have to work really hard in America starting in your school years and continuing all throughout your working career to achieve the kind of economic success that you dream of. It doesn't come easily.
In Europe, there's more of a safety net for people who can't or don't work hard. In America, not so much.
The main reason for it is that you have to work really hard in America starting in your school years and continuing all throughout your working career to achieve the kind of economic success that you want. It doesn't come easily.
In Europe, there's more of a safety net for people who can't or don't work hard. In America, not so much.
I can somewhat agree with this. America is better for someone who really wants to be a superstar. Europe is better for the average person.
b/c America has such a huge diversity of population and the media to report on all of it ( which is the way it should be but not necessisarill the way other countries report)
( not to mention USA has 6x the population of many of the countries always being compared to)
Swiss citizenship can be acquired through what is called naturalization.
To become naturalized, you need to have resided in Switzerland for at least twelve years, three of which occurred within the five years prior to the request. Time spent in Switzerland between the ages of 10 and 20 years counts double.
The request is to be made to the Aliens Police in the municipality of residence. From there, it will then be sent to the Federal Department of Justice and Police, who will give a principle authorization if the following conditions are met:
You are integrated in the Swiss community.
You are accustomed to Swiss way of life and practices.
You comply with the Swiss legal system.
You in no way compromise the internal or external security of Switzerland.
b/c America has such a huge diversity of population and the media to report on all of it ( which is the way it should be but not necessisarill the way other countries report)
( not to mention USA has 6x the population of many of the countries always being compared to)
Swiss citizenship can be acquired through what is called naturalization.
To become naturalized, you need to have resided in Switzerland for at least twelve years, three of which occurred within the five years prior to the request. Time spent in Switzerland between the ages of 10 and 20 years counts double.
The request is to be made to the Aliens Police in the municipality of residence. From there, it will then be sent to the Federal Department of Justice and Police, who will give a principle authorization if the following conditions are met:
You are integrated in the Swiss community.
You are accustomed to Swiss way of life and practices.
You comply with the Swiss legal system.
You in no way compromise the internal or external security of Switzerland.
You forgot this :
They have adequate financial resources to cover the cost of living in Switzerland so as to ensure that they will not become dependent on welfare benefits, and
They have a health insurance policy that also includes accident coverage.
Students must also show the letter confirming that they have been admitted to a recognised educational institution (confirmation of enrolment).
Letter of invitation
The letter of invitation must indicate that the party extending the invitation (company or individual) expects the foreign guest. The letter should include information about the duration of the stay, the purpose of the stay and the number of trips to Switzerland to be made.
The letter must indicate the contact details of the inviting party and the foreign guest (surname, first name, date of birth, citizenship), date and signature of the inviting party (if a company, then the person extending the invitation must have power of signature as indicated in the trade register). In addition, the letter must be drafted in one of Switzerland’s official languages.
The foreign guest must demonstrate to the Swiss mission that he/she has adequate financial resources to cover the costs of the trip. This may be demonstrated through a salary statement or bank statement. If the costs of the trip, accommodation and food are covered by the inviting party, this should be mentioned in the letter of invitation.
Declaration of sponsorship
If there are any doubts regarding the adequacy of financial resources available to the visa applicant, the Swiss diplomatic/consular mission may require that the visa applicant obtain a declaration of sponsorship. This is an official form that must be signed by the inviting party and confirmed by the communal authority or cantonal migration office of the place of residence of the inviting party. By signing this form, the inviting party undertakes to pay any uncovered costs in relation to the foreign guest’s visit up to CHF 30,000.
Traveller’s or guest insurance
In some circumstances, the authorities will require proof of traveller’s or guest insurance. This insurance covers associated costs up to EUR 30,000 and includes any rescue services, repatriation to the country of origin for medical reasons and any emergency hospital care in the event of an accident or sudden illness during the person’s stay in Switzerland. Contact your insurance company for more information.
You really need to have a relative who is the citizen of the country to get in and stay .
Nice article and informative. The difference I see is the population number and their needs. Country size and the terean also a factor to look at.
Say you have 5 people waiting at a bus stop....easy on and a easy off at your stop. Increase the n umber to 20 people and now there is a pushing to get on while others are trying to get off.
Triple the number like I experienced in Mexico City with the Metro and a disaster is in the mental mode.
Now with the influx of the middle eastern people and their living habits the Swiss will soon be crying a river.
Bad analogy. The US has a ton of people, 3rd only to India and China in fact, but the 'bus' here is also much bigger. The population density in the US is very low.
There are 80K blacks in the country or about 1% of the population. It's a great little country and they have benefitted from not getting into wars and holding everyone's money and skimming what they want from that. A guy that works for me just got back from spending 2 weeks i Swiss and Austria...he liked it but said it was expensive. If one can get on that gravy train, I say go.
One of the great things about Europe is that nobody leaves school without some kind of marketable skill, so they can earn a living wage that can help themselves and the tax base. Too many people go through the school system in America only to work at a low paying job like Walmart, and having to collect government assistance.
One of the great things about Europe is that nobody leaves school without some kind of marketable skill, so they can earn a living wage that can help themselves and the tax base. Too many people go through the school system in America only to work at a low paying job like Walmart, and having to collect government assistance.
That's the price of freedom to choose. You roll the dice.
I'd still rather have the choice than be told what I can and cannot do.
And for all the people who say that Americans eat crappy food, celebrate violence and stupidity, have lots of debt for no reason, etc...that is true.
For some people.
If you're so stupid that you just believe mainstream media represents all of the United States of America, your European education wasn't really very good.
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