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Firstly it's nothing to do with "international rights". The migrants from Libya are sailing/floating from the Libyan coast into international waters. The EU has no agreement with the Libyan govenment to return migrants, so once "rescued" the migrants have to be landed in the EU. ( with Italy bearing the brunt )
You can't go on a foreign territory without autorisation.
This is what I mean by international rights.
The USA has agreement with Mexico to bring back illegal immigrants from Mexico.
If you don't have agreement you can't do it because it would a violation of a foreign territory.
Then once the migrants are on EU soil, they just spin some garbage story to gain refugee status, if that fails, they will try & normally succeed, to escape the holding center, they then will head for France to try to smuggle themselves to the UK.
"Yet in 2013, 30 per cent of asylum requests were rejected, and Lupo, whose job it is to make sure the system serves the right people, wearily reels off the preferred fictions by nation. "Nigerians will say they are a Christian who wants to marry a Muslim, or they're homosexual, or they're fleeing police brutality." The day before we met she was brought in to explain to a group of Gambians what an asylum request entailed. They said they were here for work. When she explained they would not get permission, they asked her to invent a story for them. She knows lawyers who would, for a fee." What happens to African migrants once they land in Italy during the summer? | The Independent
So far, despite numerous operations & billions of euros, all the EU has done is enable the smugglers. They have been laughing all the way to the bank. In fact people smuggling has now become critical to the Libyan economy.
"The report has also highlighted how the business of smuggling is deeply embedded in, and critical to, the Libyan economy."
Why do they bring their rescue ships 30 miles from the Libyan border though? Why not just let let those who make the journey all the way to italy in? Also only a minority of the people they rescue are actually libyan, many are from central africa, or other countries like tunisia, afganistan, syria, morroco or egypt that come to libya and pay thousands of dollars to get on a boat to italy. Many of these boats are also launched from other north african countries like tunisia and egypt. Couldn't they return these people to their countries?
Why do they bring their rescue ships 30 miles from the Libyan border though? Why not just let let those who make the journey all the way to italy in? Also only a minority of the people they rescue are actually libyan, many are from central africa, or other countries like tunisia, afganistan, syria, morroco or egypt that come to libya and pay thousands of dollars to get on a boat to italy. Many of these boats are also launched from other north african countries like tunisia and egypt. Couldn't they return these people to their countries?
like sending back syrians to syria when there is war ? what kind of world would that be ? That's against every international convention.
Why do they bring their rescue ships 30 miles from the Libyan border though? Why not just let let those who make the journey all the way to italy in? Also only a minority of the people they rescue are actually libyan, many are from central africa, or other countries like tunisia, afganistan, syria, morroco or egypt that come to libya and pay thousands of dollars to get on a boat to italy. Many of these boats are also launched from other north african countries like tunisia and egypt. Couldn't they return these people to their countries?
That is the problem. Most of them are also illegaly in Libya, so there is no legal method to bring them back to Libya if the government over there does not cooperate. Of course one could bring all the people back to their respective countries, but sometimes it is not possible to identify where they are from, as they "lost" their passport and just tell they were from Syria. And it is very, very costly. So first they have to be identified, and that usually can not happen on navy boat. Another thing is, as much as I do not like illegal immigration and think it has to be stopped, theire boats are far from being seaworthy. You can not just watch people dying just because they are illegals.
I think there must be a strong message that Europe does not tolerate illegal immigration, that people found illegally will be brought to their homecountry and will never be allowed to enter European soil again (Australian solution).
That probably will stop 90% of them beforehand, because they just come because somebody promised the golden land with free flying fried chicken, free cars and houses. The gangsters who get like $5000 for illegal human trafficking tell all the stories about how nice Europe is and that everybody will be accepted there, which is just not true. Selfies from Merkel with refugees encourage people from all over the world to come to Europe. Information, not phsyical measures, are the most important key to stop illegal immigration. As soon as everybody knows there is no chance for any free lunch, people stop coming. Many refugees had wrong perceptions about their life, and now living in a refugee shelter instead of a nicely renovated own house with a BMW in front of the door makes them frustrated. Of course one has to make a couple of examples to underline that it is serious.
That is the problem. Most of them are also illegaly in Libya, so there is no legal method to bring them back to Libya if the government over there does not cooperate. Of course one could bring all the people back to their respective countries, but sometimes it is not possible to identify where they are from, as they "lost" their passport and just tell they were from Syria. And it is very, very costly. So first they have to be identified, and that usually can not happen on navy boat. Another thing is, as much as I do not like illegal immigration and think it has to be stopped, theire boats are far from being seaworthy. You can not just watch people dying just because they are illegals.
I think there must be a strong message that Europe does not tolerate illegal immigration, that people found illegally will be brought to their homecountry and will never be allowed to enter European soil again (Australian solution).
That probably will stop 90% of them beforehand, because they just come because somebody promised the golden land with free flying fried chicken, free cars and houses. The gangsters who get like $5000 for illegal human trafficking tell all the stories about how nice Europe is and that everybody will be accepted there, which is just not true. Selfies from Merkel with refugees encourage people from all over the world to come to Europe. Information, not phsyical measures, are the most important key to stop illegal immigration. As soon as everybody knows there is no chance for any free lunch, people stop coming. Many refugees had wrong perceptions about their life, and now living in a refugee shelter instead of a nicely renovated own house with a BMW in front of the door makes them frustrated. Of course one has to make a couple of examples to underline that it is serious.
I agree with almost everything you said, but determing the nationality isn't that hard. For example Moroccan Berber-influenced Arabic is very different from Syrian Arabic, so already the accent might reveal you. Compare: "Top o' the morning, good sir! I'm from the jolly state of Texas and I'm a lorry driver". There's also a wide variety of trick questions which you're bound to fail, even if you've memorised some essential facts. Like distances between cities by driving, what hospitals have 24h emergency duty or what tram runs from what to where in your claimed city of residence.
But also, a big chunk of the Syrian and Iraqi refugees are legitimate, not all are gold-diggers.
I agree with almost everything you said, but determing the nationality isn't that hard. For example Moroccan Berber-influenced Arabic is very different from Syrian Arabic, so already the accent might reveal you. Compare: "Top o' the morning, good sir! I'm from the jolly state of Texas and I'm a lorry driver". There's also a wide variety of trick questions which you're bound to fail, even if you've memorised some essential facts. Like distances between cities by driving, what hospitals have 24h emergency duty or what tram runs from what to where in your claimed city of residence.
But also, a big chunk of the Syrian and Iraqi refugees are legitimate, not all are gold-diggers.
Sure, but what are you going to do after you pulled them out of the water and asked those questions? One cannot put them back into the water, neither can one bring them back to Libya. The problem is, that once they are in, it is too late.
Sure, but what are you going to do after you pulled them out of the water and asked those questions? One cannot put them back into the water, neither can one bring them back to Libya. The problem is, that once they are in, it is too late.
No it's not. If they are from Afghanistan or Mali and if doesn't qualify for asylum, they will be sent back to their respective countries.
In Germany they won't, reason is they claim to be taliban and by this abuse the German legal system.
So, reason for asylum: terrorist. lol
Sauce?
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