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I didn't Trump's vision came from an optimistic view of "one country"; a lot of his speeches were fearmongering and "this country is falling apart! Scary people are coming in! I alone can fix it!" He rarely said anything positive about America, which is unusual for a presidential candidate, especially a Republican. I thought his inaugural speech was so over the top I couldn't finish it. Obviously some of those who voted for Trump saw something else; but I didn't get that feeling. I guess "Make America Great Again" was optimistic? LePen did sound rather dark, but I haven't followed her carefully.
France's democratic tradition isn't as deep as Britain and US but it's longer than any other large continental European country. It's less classical liberal than the Anglo countries:
and has a longer anti-democratic tradition:
Liberté égalité fraternité
or
Travail, famille, patrie
There was "make America great again" which isn't so dark. As far as France's democratic tradition the rhetoric is all there. But when it's accomplished by whacking off lots of heads it doesn't lead to a stable democracy. Remember there were no deaths in the Glorious Revolution, and lots of deaths in the French Revolution. The U.S. Constitutional Convention was also not particularly violent.
There was "make America great again" which isn't so dark. As far as France's democratic tradition the rhetoric is all there. But when it's accomplished by whacking off lots of heads it doesn't lead to a stable democracy. Remember there were no deaths in the Glorious Revolution, and lots of deaths in the French Revolution. The U.S. Constitutional Convention was also not particularly violent.
The US rebels would've beheaded the King of England if they would have had the chance.
I am surprised at the French ending up with Macron, a man who wants to erode workers rights, cut welfare and increase the age of retirement.
Knowing how quickly the French take to the streets to defend their rights, he might not end up being that popular.
Then again the only other choice was the Far Right, so there wasn't exactly a lot of choice.
Did you read Macron's program? Not.
You are like people on strike in the streets, you don't understand economics.
He wants to improve workers rights:
1) 3 or 4% less to pay in social contributions for all workers financed thanks to a global tax (1,7%). Retirees are going to pay for people at work. It is an excellent idea because the marginal propensity to consume is very low for retirees.
2) You can claim high unemployment benefits (60% of your gross income without taxes) if you choose to resign. You don't need to be fired. Then it means you can take more risks for better job opportunities. And it is going to be excellent for companies. No more conflicts between workers and companies. It will decongest courts too! Such a great idea!
3) Increase the age of retirement? Are you for real? He wants to give you the choice, between 60 and 65. Your public pension will be calculated regarding your contributions. If you contribute since the age of 19, you can retire at 60 .
In France we contribute 380 billion euros a year for public pensions from our gross income. It is why people think taxes are high and incomes are lower than in the USA but it is for public pensions. We don't put money on private funds from our net income. We don't need to.
Macron is very much a second VGE. I hope that he will not turn into a second Sarko. Once is plenty, imo.
It could be worst, we could have ended up with a fascist.
He truly is the luckiest man at the moment . Good because he is going to need all the luck in the world to unify France.
I will be rooting for him.
PS: How about raising saving interest rate? ;-)
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Did you read Macron's program? Not.
You are like people on strike in the streets, you don't understand economics.
He wants to improve workers rights:
1) 3 or 4% less to pay in social contributions for all workers financed thanks to a global tax (1,7%). Retirees are going to pay for people at work. It is an excellent idea because the marginal propensity to consume is very low for retirees.
2) You can claim high unemployment benefits (60% of your gross income without taxes) if you choose to resign. You don't need to be fired. Then it means you can take more risks for better job opportunities. And it is going to be excellent for companies. No more conflicts between workers and companies. It will decongest courts too! Such a great idea!
3) Increase the age of retirement? Are you for real? He wants to give you the choice, between 60 and 65. Your public pension will be calculated regarding your contributions. If you contribute since the age of 19, you can retire at 60 .
In France we contribute 380 billion euros a year for public pensions from our gross income. It is why people think taxes are high and incomes are lower than in the USA but it is for public pensions. We don't put money on private funds from our net income. We don't need to.
I am sure he will be wonderful amaroW, although I can say I am particuarly excited by his election.
To be honest no one knows exactly what he stands for, or if he will manage to form a major political party.
60 billion Euro spending cuts, so some austerity, coupled with some tax cuts, coupled with 10,000 extra police and an increase in defence spending to 2% by 2025, and a new 5,000 strong EU Border Force. Although he will not radically change Ftamce's policy in terms of migrants or the EU, in fact he wants closer intergration. So good Luck with that.
I am sure he will be wonderful amaroW, although I can say I am particuarly excited by his election.
To be honest no one knows exactly what he stands for, or if he will manage to form a major political party.
60 billion Euro spending cuts, so some austerity, coupled with some tax cuts, coupled with 10,000 extra police and an increase in defence spending to 2% by 2025, and a new 5,000 strong EU Border Force. Although he will not radically change Ftamce's policy in terms of migrants or the EU, in fact he wants closer intergration. So good Luck with that.
The most important reform is not even in the Telegraph! Media forgot most of his economic program. It is incredible....
It's my point 1!
"1) 3 or 4 points less to pay in social contributions for all workers financed thanks to a global tax (1,7%). Retirees are going to pay for people at work. It is an excellent idea because the marginal propensity to consume is very low for retirees."
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