Why is Catalonia so complicated?

[ase42dv]

Originally Posted by botticelli

Because Catalonia/Barceolona was once a big deal. It had an empire stretching to the Sicily and even Syria. Spain has a challenging geography, which makes each region function separatedly because the highland in the middle of the city, which is like half of the country, makes it difficult to have a real unified country. Each regions simply don't feel connected to each other.

Catalonia has always been richer, trading with the mediterranian instead of inland Spain. Catalonia didn't care about Spain and rarely felt a part of it. Madrid is very weak in terms of its influence on Catalona, Valencia, or Andalusia. It is like an island in the middle of nowhere.

If you look at the population of spain, it is very weird. Madrid is huge due to being the capital, but the massive two regions sandwich it have few people.

Bro I'm sorry but you are very wrong this time...

Catalonia wasn't nothing rather than a mere REGION. Who was a big deal and trading with the Mediterranean was the Crown of Aragon who always been a part of Spain but split up due to the arab invasion and then they reunited again.

Catalonia has never been independent but a part of another country, kingdom... it was the ARAGON crown.

And if you say that Catalonia wasn't trading with Spain you just say some bs maybe told you by a pro-independence liar because even nowadays for Catalonia the main market are the other regions of Spain and it's NOT richer but it's the most populated region. Madrid has the same GDP having almost 1 million less of inhabitants. Madrid, Navarre and Basques have higher income, wages, etc.

Madrid is very weak in terms of influence in Andalucia or Valencia hahaha wtf are you saying bro I live in Valencia and Madrid can't have more influence, and if the central region between Madrid and Catalonia doesn't have much population is because it's full of mountains, lots of wrinkled land... besides between Madrid and Catalonia you can find Zaragoza which is an historical and very big city. The 5th in Spain.

The majority Catalans feel part of Spain, and it has been always like this. Idk who told you that false bs bro. I just proven in the last page how the actual independence thing is a minority thing and a crappy smoke curtain...

It's been a long since I didn't see you posting!

[botticelli]

Originally Posted by Junter

Bro I'm sorry but you are very wrong this time...

Catalonia wasn't nothing rather than a mere REGION. Who was a big deal and trading with the Mediterranean was the Crown of Aragon who always been a part of Spain but split up due to the arab invasion and then they reunited again.

Catalonia has never been independent but a part of another country, kingdom... it was the ARAGON crown.

And if you say that Catalonia wasn't trading with Spain you just say some bs maybe told you by a pro-independence liar because even nowadays for Catalonia the main market are the other regions of Spain and it's NOT richer but it's the most populated region. Madrid has the same GDP having almost 1 million less of inhabitants. Madrid, Navarre and Basques have higher income, wages, etc.

Madrid is very weak in terms of influence in Andalucia or Valencia hahaha wtf are you saying bro I live in Valencia and Madrid can't have more influence, and if the central region between Madrid and Catalonia doesn't have much population is because it's full of mountains, lots of wrinkled land... besides between Madrid and Catalonia you can find Zaragoza which is an historical and very big city. The 5th in Spain.

The majority Catalans feel part of Spain, and it has been always like this. Idk who told you that false bs bro. I just proven in the last page how the actual independence thing is a minority thing and a crappy smoke curtain...

It's been a long since I didn't see you posting!

You are too sensitive on this issue. I never support Catalonia independence. My post has nothing to do independence either. I was explaining why Catalonia feels "superior" and doesn't feel strongly attached to Inland Spain/Madrid. Historically Barcelona is more of a mediterranian trading centre than a spanish city. And you do know the idea of Spain didn't exist until almost the 16th century.

Madrid GDP means little. When you put the capital there with all the government agencies and powerful people, of course the GDP will be propped up. If tomorrow the political capital of Spain moves somewhere else, Madrid would decline very quickly.

Spain always had very strong regions and weak central power. Catalonia in particular didn't particularly feel the national pride of being Spanish.

[ase42dv]

Originally Posted by botticelli

You are too sensitive on this issue. I never support Catalonia independence. My post has nothing to do independence either. I was explaining why Catalonia feels "superior" and doesn't feel strongly attached to Inland Spain/Madrid. Historically Barcelona is more of a mediterranian trading centre than a spanish city. And you do know the idea of Spain didn't exist until almost the 16th century.

Madrid GDP means little. When you put the capital there with all the government agencies and powerful people, of course the GDP will be propped up. If tomorrow the political capital of Spain moves somewhere else, Madrid would decline very quickly.

Spain always had very strong regions and weak central power. Catalonia in particular didn't particularly feel the national pride of being Spanish.

Madrid has that much GDP for it's strong I+D+I, strength of business, manufacturing, industry, engineering...

Actually more than half of Catalonians feel proud of being Spanish bro.

[papuolo]

You are Rajoy and the alternate nick is Puigcercos or Junqueras?