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What do many, hell most, NATO countries offer? Albania? Montenegro? Slovenia? Latvia? Turkey? They offer nothing. NATO has a few heavy weights and that is it, everyone else is a kid hiding behind big brother (while sometimes tossing rocks).
NATO existed just fine for decades without the inclusion of many of its present members. NATO expansion has nothing to do with collective defense. During the Cold War, NATO was involved in zero military interventions, and since the Cold War has ended, it has been involved in what, three or four? NATO's mission has drifted far, an organization in search of a mission.
Greece can and will say no to a FYROM membership in NATO, which means that they cannot join. All countries must approve of a new member.
The syriza party that currently runs Greece are pretty much communists, they have little interest when it comes to these types of national issues, they pretty much laughed at the rallys that took place in Thessaloniki and Athens and even had the authorities downplay the estimated attendances. Anyone who waves a Greek flag right now is considered a fascist by the government.
In all likelihood someting like new Macedonia, north Macedonia or something of that ilk will be agreed on. Either way Greece loses, the only term the general public may accept is Slavic Macedonia, because that will at least highlight the Slavic roots and make it harder for them to push claims on ancient Macedonia and current Greek territory, fyrom however will likely reject that.
This issue has sparked up again due to the fact both countries have far left governments, what Greece is to stupid to realise is when the hardline nationalists return to office in fyrom all those statues, airports and highways will be named Alexander once again.
What do many, hell most, NATO countries offer? Albania? Montenegro? Slovenia? Latvia? Turkey? They offer nothing. NATO has a few heavy weights and that is it, everyone else is a kid hiding behind big brother (while sometimes tossing rocks).
NATO existed just fine for decades without the inclusion of many of its present members. NATO expansion has nothing to do with collective defense. During the Cold War, NATO was involved in zero military interventions, and since the Cold War has ended, it has been involved in what, three or four? NATO's mission has drifted far, an organization in search of a mission.
Turkey is definitely a major player in NATO which is one of the reasons why support for Kurds in Syria has always been lackluster.
Turkey is definitely a major player in NATO which is one of the reasons why support for Kurds in Syria has always been lackluster.
The question was "what do they offer?" not if they are a major player or not.
Turkey offers nothing to NATO. Turkey is only in NATO due to 1950's Cold War strategy, not due to it being a valuable member of the community. Turkey has contributed what? Even in Afghanistan, they refused to engage in combat operations there. The Turks behavior as a member of NATO has been rather atrocious relative to other members.
Anyway, this is not about NATO nor Turkey, lol, point is NATO is still in the Cold War mindset when it comes to expansion, and they are also looking for a mission as the USSR no longer exists. Macedonia is far more important to them than Greece, because they know Greece will not bolt from NATO (they did once, jumped right back in).
The question was "what do they offer?" not if they are a major player or not.
Turkey offers nothing to NATO. Turkey is only in NATO due to 1950's Cold War strategy, not due to it being a valuable member of the community. Turkey has contributed what? Even in Afghanistan, they refused to engage in combat operations there. The Turks behavior as a member of NATO has been rather atrocious relative to other members.
Anyway, this is not about NATO nor Turkey, lol, point is NATO is still in the Cold War mindset when it comes to expansion, and they are also looking for a mission as the USSR no longer exists. Macedonia is far more important to them than Greece, because they know Greece will not bolt from NATO (they did once, jumped right back in).
What do many, hell most, NATO countries offer? Albania? Montenegro? Slovenia? Latvia? Turkey? They offer nothing. NATO has a few heavy weights and that is it, everyone else is a kid hiding behind big brother (while sometimes tossing rocks).
NATO existed just fine for decades without the inclusion of many of its present members. NATO expansion has nothing to do with collective defense. During the Cold War, NATO was involved in zero military interventions, and since the Cold War has ended, it has been involved in what, three or four? NATO's mission has drifted far, an organization in search of a mission.
This is incredibly short sighted, I can't tell if you are being real. Do you really not understand the value of bringing all of Europe together in a defensive alliance?
This is incredibly short sighted, I can't tell if you are being real. Do you really not understand the value of bringing all of Europe together in a defensive alliance?
Bringing all Serbia's neighbours into NATO surely has some benefits.
Maybe Serbia will join it as well. It's already part of the Individual Partnership Action Plan.
Sure they will.
Except that the majority of Serbians would rather kill themselves than join the alliance which bombed them to smithereens just 19 years ago. The majority of Serbians don't even support joining the EU, and it's especially true for young people to think so.
Except that the majority of Serbians would rather kill themselves than join the alliance which bombed them to smithereens just 19 years ago. The majority of Serbians don't even support joining the EU, and it's especially true for young people to think so.
Those are emotions talking. In politics, alliances change according to geopolitical demands. The opinions of the younger generation is not likely to play a large role either.
Plus Milosevic is no longer in power.
I agree with you that for the time being Serbia won't become a full time member, but it may happen at some point.
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