[Dd714]

Originally Posted by britinspain

Saw this on facebook this morning and it pretty much sums things up, well it should if your a parent or an adult come to think of it.

If your child hits another child with a stick, do you:

A. Give everybody sticks.

B. Give sticks to kids who are adept with sticks to defend everyone else.

C. Take away the stick.

Yup, that sums it up all right: C - take away the sticks in school, make it a "stick free zone". That works well....
Why no D - telling the students why it's not OK to hit another kid with a stick and getting help and flag the ones that thinks it is OK.
That indeed sums it up...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Dd714

This is like a one note broken record. Nothing gets solved because they don't want to address the root cause, the cultural issue that makes gun violence the way to solve problems, the mass media copy-cat nature of these crimes, the unique mental illness issues combined with youth.

-Assualt Weapons Ban will not work because of the difficulty of defining what an assault weapon is and the easy substitution of just as lethal weapons of various calibers and types.
-A total weapons ban (a la Australia) will not work because firearms are too ingrained into our culture and because it would impossible to enforce.

Such restrictions such as raising the age of gun purchase would be a good start. I'm also all for integrating mental health red flags into the existing firearms background check program. Most of these events, such as the latest, had red flags all over it. Ultimately, parents, the media, polticians, etc need to address the cultural issues.

There is a direct and undeniable relationship between mass shootings, gun homicides and the number of guns in society.

• The US makes up less 5% of the world's population but is home to 31% of mass shooters
• Americans own more guns per 100 persons (89) than any Country in the world
• Gun homicide rates in the US are 25.2 times higher than in any other high income country in the world
• Americans own nearly half of the 650 million guns civilian guns worldwide

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/ameri...ics/index.html

[Dd714]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

There is a direct and undeniable relationship between mass shootings, gun homicides and the number of guns in society.

• The US makes up less 5% of the world's population but is home to 31% of mass shooters
• Americans own more guns per 100 persons (89) than any Country in the world
• Gun homicide rates in the US are 25.2 times higher than in any other high income country in the world
• Americans own nearly half of the 650 million guns civilian guns worldwide

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/ameri...ics/index.html

No there isn't -there is no correlation. The US has lot of gun violence, the US has lot of guns. That's undeniable. But besides that we are high in both you can't say that there is a "direct relationship". Why? Because other countries have lots of guns, but low gun violence. Other countries have strong gun laws, but lots of gun violence.
In fact there are two metrics that contradict this claim: 1.) Some cities in the US have strong gun laws, but lots of gun violence. 2.) As gun ownership has increased in the US, gun crime homicides have gone down.
US has lots of violent crime period - stabbings, rape, physical assaults, etc. The vast majority are focused in certain urban centers. None of that is due to gun ownership.
Once again, root cause people, root cause....the tool of crime is not the cause.

[britinspain]

Originally Posted by Dd714

Yup, that sums it up all right: C - take away the sticks in school, make it a "stick free zone". That works well....
Why no D - telling the students why it's not OK to hit another kid with a stick and getting help and flag the ones that thinks it is OK.
That indeed sums it up...

There is no D option because no matter how many times you tell the kid's its naughty to hit other kid's some kid will always hit other kid's with their stick's if they have them.

Its fairly simple to see that option C is the correct and only solution, that is unless you are are that naughty kid

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

There is a direct and undeniable relationship between mass shootings, gun homicides and the number of guns in society.

• The US makes up less 5% of the world's population but is home to 31% of mass shooters
• Americans own more guns per 100 persons (89) than any Country in the world
• Gun homicide rates in the US are 25.2 times higher than in any other high income country in the world
• Americans own nearly half of the 650 million guns civilian guns worldwide

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/ameri...ics/index.html

Exactly! And why do you suppose that is? The deep state absolutely worships WAR and weaponry. How do you think weapons of mass destruction get into the hands of troubled people? Gotta get rid of the surplus some way, some how. The local constabularies are stocked up! Why are we not protesting at Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon and other such companies?

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by britinspain

Saw this on facebook this morning and it pretty much sums things up, well it should if your a parent or an adult come to think of it.

If your child hits another child with a stick, do you:

A. Give everybody sticks.

B. Give sticks to kids who are adept with sticks to defend everyone else.

C. Take away the stick.

Pretty much

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by Dd714

No there isn't -there is no correlation. The US has lot of gun violence, the US has lot of guns. That's undeniable. But besides that we are high in both you can't say that there is a "direct relationship". Why? Because other countries have lots of guns, but low gun violence. Other countries have strong gun laws, but lots of gun violence.
In fact there are two metrics that contradict this claim: 1.) Some cities in the US have strong gun laws, but lots of gun violence. 2.) As gun ownership has increased in the US, gun crime homicides have gone down.
US has lots of violent crime period - stabbings, rape, physical assaults, etc. The vast majority are focused in certain urban centers. None of that is due to gun ownership.
Once again, root cause people, root cause....the tool of crime is not the cause.

Nothing you posted detracts from the facts regarding the incidence of mass shootings here vs more regulated countries like Japan or Australia.

We have to be specific here.... mass shootings

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Exactly! And why do you suppose that is? The deep state absolutely worships WAR and weaponry. How do you think weapons of mass destruction get into the hands of troubled people? Gotta get rid of the surplus some way, some how. The local constabularies are stocked up! Why are we not protesting at Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon and other such companies?

Trump is making them great again. Just look at his proposed defense budget and what those stocks have done since the election.

Her wants accountability for Medicaid and food stamps yet no strings attached extra money for the DOD, despite trillion dollar mistakes like the F22

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

Trump is making them great again. Just look at his proposed defense budget and what those stocks have done since the election.

Her wants accountability for Medicaid and food stamps yet no strings attached extra money for the DOD, despite trillion dollar mistakes like the F22

Congress appropriated the extra money for the DOD, which is, in essence, nothing more than a procurement agency for war profits.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/...-held-hostage/

The piece, entitled “Trump’s favorite general: Can Mattis check an impulsive president and still retain his trust?” tells a story that pits a President inclined to challenge the War Party against a Praetorian Guard determined to nullify his electoral mandate to keep out of foreign wars and put “America first”:

“Although Trump has given the military broad latitude on the battlefield, he also has raised pointed questions about the wisdom of the wars being fought by the United States. Last year, after a delegation of Iraqi leaders visited him in the Oval Office, Trump jokingly referred to them as ‘the most accomplished group of thieves he’d ever met,’ according to one former U.S. official.”

Truer words were never spoken, but of course this leak is designed to embarrass Trump and put him at odds with those very thieves. Mattis was presumably horrified by this truism, since the General is an even bigger thief, having successfully manipulated Congress into appropriating 15.5 percent more money for the military than Trump asked. The Post piece goes on to detail the President’s many heresies:

“He has repeatedly pressed Mattis and McMaster in stark terms to explain why US troops are in Somalia. ‘Can’t we just pull out?’ he has asked, according to US officials.

“Last summer, Trump was weighing plans to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and was contemplating the military’s request for more-aggressive measures to target Islamic State affiliates in North Africa. In a meeting with his top national security aides, the president grew frustrated. ‘You guys want me to send troops everywhere,’ Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. ‘What’s the justification?’”

Oh, the shocked silence in that room must have lasted for what seemed like forever. Then Mattis came up with the same old bull****:

“‘Sir, we’re doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square,’ Mattis replied.”

Trump didn’t fall for it: “The response angered Trump, who insisted that Mattis could make the same argument about almost any country on the planet.” And the President wasn’t alone in his skepticism: “Attorney General Jeff Sessions echoed Trump’s concerns, asking whether winning was even possible in a place such as Afghanistan or Somalia.”

Here’s the scary part, which concludes the piece:

“It was Mattis who made the argument that would, for the moment at least, sway Trump to embrace the status quo – which has held for the past two presidents.

“‘Unfortunately, sir, you have no choice,’ Mattis told Trump, according to officials. ‘You will be a wartime president.’”

[kmarc]

No wonder the war boosters on this board are blinded by hatred for Trump.