[BNBR]

Originally Posted by WRnative

The issue is what will be the financial consequences when a Category 4 or 5 hurricane does eventually hit a major Florida population center. The denialists seem to believe this is an impossibility. REALLY?????

I don't know one single person who thinks Florida won't get hit by a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane, or that it's an impossibility. It's yourself who thinks that when it does, inevitably happen, it's all because of man caused climate change, which is absurd. Hurricanes have been hitting for as long as we have records.

[Corrie22]

gotta love it....it's only Florida that will be affected....

no place all the way up the east coast...or all the way around the gulf to central America....no islands in the Caribbean either

....only Florida

All the millions of people that live on islands in the Caribbean just sighed in relief

There's over 700 islands in the Caribbean...how many have gone under water so far?

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by BNBR

I don't know one single person who thinks Florida won't get hit by a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane, or that it's an impossibility. It's yourself who thinks that when it does, inevitably happen, it's all because of man caused climate change, which is absurd. Hurricanes have been hitting for as long as we have records.

Did you even read post 59 carefully?????

It documents how climate change is greatly raising the heat content of oceans. Greater ocean heat content intensifies hurricanes, often "rapidly."

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/...co/3431718001/

Of course, hurricanes are nothing new. What is new is accelerating sea level rise, which will result in ever higher storm surges than when ocean levels were lower. The preponderance of rapid hurricane intensification events resulting in more powerful hurricanes also results from warmer oceans.

For years, scientists have warned about how warmer temperatures and periodic droughts would exacerbate the wildfire risk in the West and other areas of the world, most scarily in the great boreal forests of the northern hemisphere. Now we are experiencing the reality of these predictions. Of course, climate change deniers believe that the problem is that the forests aren't raked, as if they ever were raked.

While Florida hasn't yet experienced a $1 trillion dollar hurricane, its beaches and coastal areas are facing increasingly rapid inundation and temperatures, humidity and rainfall levels are rising. Salt water intrusion also is an increasing concern.

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...is-threatened/

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...e-threatening/

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2018/...en-the-threat/

What happens to coastal areas that are only 2-3 feet above sea level when swamped by a 10- to 15-foot storm surge, if not higher?

It's possible that hurricanes may become less frequent in the years ahead if a warming Pacific Ocean results in greater wind shear preventing the development of hurricanes. If this happens, ocean heat won't dissipate across the North American continent, and atmospheric temperatures and humidity will become more unpleasant in coastal areas, especially across the Florida peninsula.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

gotta love it....it's only Florida that will be affected....

no place all the way up the east coast...or all the way around the gulf to central America....no islands in the Caribbean either

....only Florida

All the millions of people that live on islands in the Caribbean just sighed in relief

There's over 700 islands in the Caribbean...how many have gone under water so far?

As you repeatedly note, this is the Florida forum, so obviously the discussion would focus on Florida. What a ridiculous argument to suggest that the impacts of climate change on hurricanes and ocean heat content only apply to Florida.

Islands are beginning to disappear around the world, and certainly the Florida Keys, Miami Beach, Miami, and most Florida coastal areas are concerned about rising sea levels, as repeatedly documented.

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2020/...-to-move-away/

<<Some cities have begun exploring funding vehicles. Miami’s voters passed a $400 million “Miami Forever Bond” to address sea level rise ($192 million) and the city’s affordable housing crisis, levying a new property tax to repay the debt. Miami Mayor Francis X. Suarez says he hopes it will become a catalyst for the billions needed in the future. Some other Florida cities have funded resilience work; Miami Beach, for instance, raised storm water fees to pay for $500 million of flood protection projects.

Florida’s recent budget more than triples funding for the Florida Resilient Coastlines Program, but it’s still a tiny amount — about $5.5 million. Consider that Miami-Dade County says rising sea levels threaten septic systems, and fixing the issue will cost more than $3.3 billion.>>

https://e360.yale.edu/features/who-w...ck-rising-seas

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...me-ncna1015316

https://www.jetsetter.com/magazine/i...hey-disappear/

An issue is where Caribbean islanders will relocate as their homes are inundated. A shrinking Florida may not be too welcoming.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...221466735.html

I've come to the point that it's not much worth arguing about sea level rise with persons unwilling to deal with scientific reality. The passage of time increasingly will settle the argument.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by kokonutty

If you choose to go with every worst case scenario you can find, you may satisfy yourself but you'll never satisfy anyone looking to make an objective assessment. Utilizing short term, worst case scenarios from an organization whose approach is one of fear mongering and calling them what "could be" and then adding a totally unsupported "or more" of your own tells us exactly where you're coming from.

If you throw your support behind the opinions of those speaking outside their field of expertise you may satisfy yourself but, again no one looking objectively. If you deny that certain groups and individuals like to make headline grabbing claims that don't stand up to the realities of long term science, so be it but don't expect others to take your bait, hook, line and sinker.

If you are at all interested in the truth you need to step back from the alarmist opinions and projections that impress you because you're already sold on the idea that the sky is falling...today.

Just some observations. Woodwell Climate Research Center is not fear mongering, nor is Spencer Glendon, one of the nation's foremost experts on the impact of climate change on investments. They are doing risk assessments of the impact of climate change.

Candidly, Spencer Glendon hasn't repeatedly emphasized the disaster that he expects to result from a major hurricane collapsing the Florida insurance and therefore real estate markets. Obviously, no one pays him to share his research with the public. My hunch is that he felt a moral obligation to put the concept into the public domain, and has no interest in "working" his thesis, as is done by short sellers.

Did you even read this linked CNBC article in post 49. Spencer Glendon had nothing to do with it. And, BTW, I can produce several similar articles. Note that this isn't the product of climate change activists, but of hard-nosed investment managers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/clim...rs-report.html

Clearly, climate change scientists looking at the long term predict disastrous impacts, despite your efforts to infer otherwise.

[columbusboy8]

Originally Posted by WRnative

A major hurricane striking a Florida population center might cause a negative financial cascade impacting all of Florida.

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...mpacts-worsen/

One of Florida's top sea level rise experts warns of the onslaught of ocean sea level rise, but such warnings largely fall on the deaf ears of the several outspoken and IMO disingenuous climate change deniers in this forum. Be very conscious of the elevation of any property that you purchase in Florida.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...620-story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

Atmospheric warming also is an issue in Florida, especially as the Gulf Stream slows in the years ahead.

https://www.theinvadingsea.com/2019/...-temperatures/

Meanwhile, earthquakes, fires, and high taxes in California. Pick your "poison."

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Islands are beginning to disappear around the world, .

LOL....

March 2017
On front line of climate change as Maldives fights rising seas

https://www.newscientist.com/article...s-rising-seas/

...and just 1 year later

FEBRUARY 9, 2018
'Sinking' Pacific nation is getting bigger

The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacifi...on-bigger.html

now let that sink in.....the poster child global warming sinking island.....is not only not sinking.....it's getting bigger

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

LOL....

March 2017
On front line of climate change as Maldives fights rising seas

https://www.newscientist.com/article...s-rising-seas/

...and just 1 year later

FEBRUARY 9, 2018
'Sinking' Pacific nation is getting bigger

The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacifi...on-bigger.html

now let that sink in.....the poster child global warming sinking island.....is not only not sinking.....it's getting bigger

Very interesting, but how did you skip over this paragraph in the article that you quoted?


<<It found eight of the atolls and almost three-quarters of the islands grew during the study period, lifting Tuvalu's total land area by 2.9 percent, even though sea levels in the country rose at twice the global average.>>

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacifi...on-bigger.html


The article measured land changes only through 2014. Reportedly, Tuvalu no longer is expanding, and rising sea levels and salt water intrusion threaten its food crops.


<<Not only could parts of the island be flooded but the rising saltwater table could also destroy deep rooted food crops such as coconut, pulaka, and taro.[4][5] Research from the University of Auckland suggests that Tuvalu may remain habitable over the next century. However, as of March 2018, Prime Minister Enele Sopoaga stated that Tuvalu is not expanding and has gained no additional habitable land.

Not only could parts of the island be flooded but the rising saltwater table could also destroy deep rooted food crops such as coconut, pulaka, and taro.[4][5] Research from the University of Auckland suggests that Tuvalu may remain habitable over the next century. However, as of March 2018, Prime Minister Enele Sopoaga stated that Tuvalu is not expanding and has gained no additional habitable land.>>


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Tuvalu


As sea level rise continues to accelerate, it certainly would seem plausible that rising seas would overtake the forces that expanded the island through 2014.


Do you deny that Florida cities already are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to mitigate sea level rise? Why are they doing this if there is no sea level rise?

[Corrie22]

LOL...I didn't skip over anything....the poster child "oh my god, we're all going to die" sinking island...is not only not sinking...it's getting bigger

..and you're last question is even easier...it's not their money

In spite of all the lies and hair pulling...global warming has not made the sea rise one bit faster than it has for the past 200 years

...and yes....sea level has been rising at the exact same rate...for hundreds of years...long before global warming

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

In spite of all the lies and hair pulling...global warming has not made the sea rise one bit faster than it has for the past 200 years

...and yes....sea level has been rising at the exact same rate...for hundreds of years...long before global warming

Wrong. As repeatedly documented in this thread, sea level rise is accelerating. The NOAA predicts as much as a foot of sea level rise by 2030. See post 49.


https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...florida-5.html