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Old 01-25-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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The media has been saying...the recession is over, unemployment is improving, bla, bla, bla.... Here is some news.
1 million homes repossessed in 2010 - Jan. 13, 2011
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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The media has been saying...the recession is over, unemployment is improving, bla, bla, bla.... Here is some news.
1 million homes repossessed in 2010 - Jan. 13, 2011
No ones talking about it. Or the fact that HUD has granted several billion to counties and states to cover up the foreclosure mess.

media-ocracy.com online journal to issues of censored news, U.S. and global politics professor Anthony DiMaggio
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Come on now you crazy alarmist people... Well deserved record breaking bonuses for those bankers who did a bang up job in 2010. Nothing else matters as long as the stock market is fed by Ben. Unemployment, foreclosures, global food riots, insanely spiking CoL to us all via giant jumps in commodities foodstuffs and energy. Do we really care?

I mean, nobody put a gun to these people's heads to sign those mortgages. Get them out!

/sarcasm_off
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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One million is nice headline grabber. There are an estimated 80 million homes in the US, so that's 1.25% of the housing stock. I think in some of the worst areas in the past year that there were estimated to be 3% of the housing stock in foreclosure.

Just remarking on the math, not the whole rest of the topic.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Union County
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One million is nice headline grabber. There are an estimated 80 million homes in the US, so that's 1.25% of the housing stock. I think in some of the worst areas in the past year that there were estimated to be 3% of the housing stock in foreclosure.

Just remarking on the math, not the whole rest of the topic.
Math. According to the article. "11 million mortgage borrowers are in potential danger of default"... So - what do they say, about 1/2 the homes are owned outright?

So using your number and the info in this article

[(80mil - 40mil) / 11mil] = 27.5

That says about 27% of all mortgages are in danger? That'll curl your toes if you're heavy into the MBS - and seriously, what pension fund isn't?
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Not to mention the illegal foreclosures in Florida, class action lawsuits pending now against B of A, all (formerly GMAC) and JPMorgan Chase.

The media is owned by investment banks, which is why we are not hearing about it. Also if more people walk away, its rather hard for new buyers to even want to get involved. Foreclosure mess is not over yet.

Why want to buy a house for 400k when its depreciating at the worst rate since the 1930's?. Theres no point to it
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Because I am such a "simple person", let me put it simply.

When the banks got "creative" and gave mortgages to folks who had/have no vested interest in their property, they were inviting them to walk away at any time. I have no sympathy for the banks. Don't even start with me about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

So you've got foreclosures, short sales, upside down homeowners ... a very high percentage of whom should have never been allowed to have a mortgage.

20% down used to be the "norm", and strict credit checks in order to buy a home. Oh, I guess that didn't make any sense in the past 6 or 7 years. "Mortgage companies" were created and came out of the woodwork, and their so-called brokers were driving around in Mercedes and Lexus. Where are they now?
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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Default I see more Bentleys and Masserattis now...

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Because I am such a "simple person", let me put it simply.

When the banks got "creative" and gave mortgages to folks who had/have no vested interest in their property, they were inviting them to walk away at any time. I have no sympathy for the banks. Don't even start with me about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

So you've got foreclosures, short sales, upside down homeowners ... a very high percentage of whom should have never been allowed to have a mortgage.

20% down used to be the "norm", and strict credit checks in order to buy a home. Oh, I guess that didn't make any sense in the past 6 or 7 years. "Mortgage companies" were created and came out of the woodwork, and their so-called brokers were driving around in Mercedes and Lexus. Where are they now?

People that know how to profit in troubled times do even better than those that known how to profit when things are easy...

The linked article clearly showed a slowing in the foreclosures, and failed to actually back up thier scary headline of "repossession" with any data on evictions -- heck in another thread some one who has been foreclosed is busy asking how they can "buy back their note now that they have the money" -- how much you wanna bet folks like home make up the bulk of the "repossessed"???

Either lenders will figure that out on their own and re- do these mortgages to keep the money pumps flowing or the genuises in DC that cooked up these schemes will again brew up a witching stew of legistwltion and GSE directives to keep homeownership as high as possible. Vote for either party and they won't disappoint the bulk of the folks that show up at polls...
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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People that know how to profit in troubled times do even better than those that known how to profit when things are easy...

The linked article clearly showed a slowing in the foreclosures, and failed to actually back up thier scary headline of "repossession" with any data on evictions -- heck in another thread some one who has been foreclosed is busy asking how they can "buy back their note now that they have the money" -- how much you wanna bet folks like home make up the bulk of the "repossessed"???

Either lenders will figure that out on their own and re- do these mortgages to keep the money pumps flowing or the genuises in DC that cooked up these schemes will again brew up a witching stew of legistwltion and GSE directives to keep homeownership as high as possible. Vote for either party and they won't disappoint the bulk of the folks that show up at polls...
Amen Chet! I just saw an ad in the paper online for my hometown bank up north, advertising for the folks to come on in, get a home equity loan and consolidate "your bills". ... they will never learn, your home is not an ATM machine.
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Old 02-05-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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Bankers. The red carpet's still being rolled out for them in Washington, but if there's a stain on it they'll pout for days. Jason Linkins documents the latest set of cheap white wines from very wealthy white men. (Discrimination lawsuits are a routine part of their legal troubles, too.) This time they're upset because nobody from the six largest banks in America was invited to the president's CEO Roundtable.
They're offended because they didn't meet with the president? From the looks of things they're lucky not to be meeting with the warden. Their collective rap sheet includes fraud, sex discrimination, collusion to bribe public officials... even laundering drug money for Mexican drug cartels. One of them is accused of ripping off some nuns! None of this criminal behavior has stopped them from sulking over a presidential slight. Let's review the record for these corporate malefactors, and then decide:
Which of these six banks was "America's Most Shameless Corporate Outlaw" in 2010? (I mean, really: Nuns?)
1. Bank of America

Here are some recent headlines for the country's largest bank:

"Bank of America Ends Year With Flurry of Lawsuits"
  • "Arizona Wants Bank of America Held in Contempt"
  • "Nevada, Arizona sue Bank of America over failed mortgage aid"
  • "Allstate Sues Bank Of America For Selling 'Toxic' MBS"
  • "Bank of America Hit With Missouri Class Action Over Loan Modifications"
Here are some of the details:
Associated Press


"Attorneys general in Arizona and Nevada filed civil lawsuits Friday against Bank of America Corp., alleging that the lender is misleading and deceiving homeowners who have tried to modify mortgages in two of the nation's most foreclosure-damaged states."
Courthouse News Service: "Bank of America violated a consent judgment it signed almost 2 years ago to provide loan modifications and help relocate borrowers, the Arizona attorney general claims ... Bank of America has continued to misrepresent 'to Arizona consumers whether they were eligible for modifications of their mortgage loans, when Bank of America would make a decision on their modification requests ... and whether and when Bank of America would foreclose upon their homes.'"
Consumer Affairs: "The bank is also facing at least three suits claiming that it reneged on duties it undertook by accepting $25 billion under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)."
In total, Bank of America's last annual report lists 29 pending lawsuits against the company. Lawsuits are not proof of guilt, of course. But the bank has already paid a fine for illegally concealing $6 billion in payouts to employees, and another fine for concealing major losses at its Merrill Lynch subsidiary. (Both fines were low- not much more than a slap on the wrist - because Bank of America was on taxpayer-funded life support at the time.) BofA also confessed to committing fraud as part of a settlement this month, which the Justice Department noted was restitution "for its participation in a conspiracy to rig bids in the municipal bond derivatives market." The Bank was also ordered to pay Lehman $590 million for illegally seizing its deposits, in violation of bankruptcy law.
From the Associated Press:
A document obtained last week by the Associated Press showed a Bank of America official acknowledging in a legal proceeding that she signed thousands of foreclosure documents a month and typically didn't read them. The official, Renee Hertzler, said in a February deposition that she signed 7,000 to 8,000 foreclosure documents a month.
How generous has the taxpayer been to Bank of America? There was the TARP money, of course. And BofA, like other banks, has been suckling at the teat of Federal Reserve's discount money window throughout the crisis. And, as Zach Carter noted, the bank was also one of two institutions that were the main beneficiaries of a special Fed program called the Primary Reserve Credit Facility. There were those cushy settlements with the SEC.
BofA stock was trading at $53 at the end of 2006. As of this writing the stock is trading for $13.30. But its executives have been wasting corporate money and resources buying up 419 web URLs with insulting phrases and the names of their senior executives -- most of whom nobody's ever heard of - to protect their personal reputations. No company's ever done that before. Bob Scully "blows" (bobscullyblows.com) and Bill Boardman "sucks" (billboardmansucks.com)? Who knew?
Last year two senior executives received $9.9 million and two others received $6 million in total compensation. The guy who robbed a Bank of America branch in West Palm Beach is going to prison. The bank's senior executives are hurt that they didn't get invited to the Rose Garden for tea.
Rap Sheet: BofA has probably committed more foreclosure offenses than any other single institution. It deceived stockholders, and the public, about the $6 million in bonuses it paid out (during the rescue process), and was equally deceptive about Merrill Lynch's financial status. It has also been punished for rigging municipal bond derivative bids.
Shameless Quotes: CEO Brian Moynihan's response toward demands that his bank comply with HAMP's legal requirements? "Sure," he sneered," we'll go back and check our homework again." And he says he won't accept anything but "constructive criticism." Which sounds more constructive: "suck" or "blow"?
A document obtained last week by the Associated Press showed a Bank of America official acknowledging in a legal proceeding that she signed thousands of foreclosure documents a month and typically didn't read them. The official, Renee Hertzler, said in a February deposition that she signed 7,000 to 8,000 foreclosure documents a month.
How generous has the taxpayer been to Bank of America? There was the TARP money, of course. And BofA, like other banks, has been suckling at the teat of Federal Reserve's discount money window throughout the crisis. And, as Zach Carter noted, the bank was also one of two institutions that were the main beneficiaries of a special Fed program called the Primary Reserve Credit Facility. There were those cushy settlements with the SEC.
BofA stock was trading at $53 at the end of 2006. As of this writing the stock is trading for $13.30. But its executives have been wasting corporate money and resources buying up 419 web URLs with insulting phrases and the names of their senior executives -- most of whom nobody's ever heard of - to protect their personal reputations. No company's ever done that before. Bob Scully "blows" (bobscullyblows.com) and Bill Boardman "sucks" (billboardmansucks.com)? Who knew?
Last year two senior executives received $9.9 million and two others received $6 million in total compensation. The guy who robbed a Bank of America branch in West Palm Beach is going to prison. The bank's senior executives are hurt that they didn't get invited to the Rose Garden for tea.
Rap Sheet: BofA has probably committed more foreclosure offenses than any other single institution. It deceived stockholders, and the public, about the $6 million in bonuses it paid out (during the rescue process), and was equally deceptive about Merrill Lynch's financial status. It has also been punished for rigging municipal bond derivative bids.
Shameless Quotes: CEO Brian Moynihan's response toward demands that his bank comply with HAMP's legal requirements? "Sure," he sneered," we'll go back and check our homework again." And he says he won't accept anything but "constructive criticism." Which sounds more constructive:
A document obtained last week by the Associated Press showed a Bank of America official acknowledging in a legal proceeding that she signed thousands of foreclosure documents a month and typically didn't read them. The official, Renee Hertzler, said in a February deposition that she signed 7,000 to 8,000 foreclosure documents a month.
Go ahead and act like Americans were living the high life, lol....the banks are the felons here.

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