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Originally Posted by Rubi3
Three people are used as examples to show that whites have NEVER been pure at all. Your logic is so flawed it relegates your words to the trash heap.
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And the fact that you failed to grasp the point being made to show examples of a few famous celebs that we accept as white, that have mixed ancestry, shows that there is something wrong with your brain, and shows that your words are trash heap and bull**** and cheap talk.
If you want more examples, Carol Channing revealed that her biological father is said to be a mulatto man and she revealed more recently in a book.
Carly Simon is of mixed race heritage though many people have treated her as white.
Many people don't know Mariah Carey is of mixed race heritage.
Then there is theories that many previous U.S. Presidents had African and Native American ancestors. President Hoover is said to have come from a family of people that passed for WHITE and such is being further researched. It's definitely debatable and controversial.
Peter Wentz from the band green day is of mixed race lineage
Tom Sizemore's father is of African American and Creole heritages.
Charles LeDuff has African ancestors from his father's ancestors since they arrived into Detroit from Louisiana, and many of them were able to pass as white.
In addition during the colonial period and tikes of slavery if you were accepted as white and looked white even if it was known that you were mixed, you were still treated as white. White slaves were treated as and accepted as and considered as WHITE as well.
Patrick Francis Healy during the times of his living was treated as and accepted as and widely known openly as a WHITE man that just happened to have detectable close African ancestry. During his time there was no one drop rule.
One drop rule was only implemented firmly from 1931 to 1967.
Slavery had nothing to do with race. Slavery was MATRILINEAL. This was based on the sexist mysoginistic rule of matriliny or rather the rule of PARTUS SEQUITUR VENENTRUM. That means that you were only allowed to be a slave or be a potential target or candidate for enslavement if your MOTHER was a slave. There were slaves of ALL races, including large numbers of WHITE slaves. It was illegal to have race based slavery or to enslave someone for because of their race. Such was punishable and one would receive notable severe consequences for such. Also colonial documents don't even refer to a blacks as slaves or vice versa or that such is equivalent to such. During slavery, a person's race wad determined based on what they looked like. So if a person was mixed race during the colonial period but looked white they most often times would be considered WHITE. If they looked very mixed or identified as such they'd be labelled as mixed etc.
Not all race mixing was from rape. There were lots of complex arrangements and circumstances, unions and relationships that occurred between people of different races. In fact many WHITE woman even had children with BLACK men.
If during the early colonial antebellum era, they had enslaved people based on their race the WHITE fathers would have been held more responsible or been and acknowledged and possibly chastised. Under partus SEQUITUR ventrum support could be provided behind the scenes and under hush hush agreements, with sole focus and onus, focus, and blame being put on and centered on and around the woman.
Btw, there were masters, "massas", slave traders, captors, colonists, settlers etc of all races and race mixtures. There were also enslaved peoples of all races and racial admixtures and mixes.
As for the one drop rule no such thing existed during the antebellum colonial era or during slavery. One drop rule was a legal rule instituted on the books and in practice beginning in the 1930s. Mulatto and various other mixed race identities were recognized in the USA and on the censuses for virtually all of USA history. 1930 was the last year that mulatto and mixed race identity was legally recognized. After 1930 many ppl that identified as or were usually listed as mulatto or other or mixed had to get used to the risk of being possible mistaken for or listed as Negro or black etc. Many still weren't used to it and many still identified as mixed even during the one drop rule period. In some aspects it was also some black and mixed race black individuals that helped to support and boast/bolster the racist one drop rule, and many sectors of white and mixed race white elites didn't want a one drop rule, however some people of African descent grew arrogantly proud of their ethnic African American identity so they one dropped themselves and others. But this was only a tiny minority of ppl of color that advocated onr droppism. Most people were anti one droppist. One drop rule was put in place because of white supremacy and economic and social CLASS distinction and protection and to increase further division and create further competition. The one drop rule was a legal rule that sought to target people of mixed ancestry, and those whose ancestry was questionable. There was also a racist one drop rule that was applied to target Native Americans although it was not as severe as the hypodescent one drop rule method that was used to target blacks.
100 years ago In states like Oklahoma and Ohio legally someone like Obama would have been legally and socially treated as and considered a WHITE man.
One drop rule was only implemented from 1930 to 1967. The successful 1967 Sulreme Court Case ruling of Loving V. Virginia helped eradicate and dismantle the racist one drop rule. In 1967 mixed race and multiracial identity and conciousness was further restored in the USA.
So mixed race identity faced paper genocide because of the implementing of the one drop rule in the South from 1930 to 1967. It did a lot of damage. Had there not been a one drop rule the USA probably would not have the racial controversies and hang ups in the manner that still seems to permeate some aspects of USA society.
For much and most of USA race relations were fairly good or decent. That took a turn in the 20th century with segregationist one droppism and Jim Crow which splintered and damaged race relations in the USA especially between 1930 and 1960, especially since the one drop rule was implemented from 1931 to 1967. That splintered and damaged race relations. Luckily race relations and mixed race identity and mixed race consciousness and more equal and better race relations was restored in 1967. Society still has a long way to go. We have come a long way
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