Is there a Celtic and Iberian Peninsula ( spanish/portugal) connection? (free, Asian)

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by tassity22

I have documented ancestors who came from Ireland with Irish surnames. I have no Irish DNA, but showed Iberian and Scandinavian instead. I guess a lot of those people migrated to Ireland and perhaps married other people with a similar genetic background. My Dad's mother looked kind of Latin but there are not Spanish names in my ancestry, except for one, Oliver.

The thing with Ireland is that no there wasn't a lot of immigration. Ireland for most of her history has been a country that people left. It was under British control and really the native Irish didn't have a very nice life if people knew the history. Most historical information will show that most people that came to Ireland were British e.g. Scots, English and Welsh. There were Normans and Vikings but they left only a small impression on the genetics of the Irish.

Fully Irish people get very bland results in all these dna tests and have one of the most unvaried ACs of any population. Irish don't get very much Iberian and do get a little more Scandinavian but in very small percentages. The people that get the most varied AC are the English so having Iberian and Scandinavian in your results is much more typical of an English AC.

If you are like most Americans you are more likely to be of more mixed European background so hence why your AC would be more mixed. If you have English and German in your background then that would be a much more logical place to look for a more varied AC. It is often a combination and results are cumulative.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by Alandros

I am definitely going to have to follow up on that. That's exciting. All the existing Bell Beaker R1b testing that has happened has really helped form modern views of how R1b spread, so this could really expand the knowledge. Selfishly being U152 I was excited a couple years ago when a Bell Beaker YDNA RISE563 came up R1b - U152.

Yes it is very exciting. Bell Beaker is really important in understanding how R1b spread in Europe. They have always been a bit difficult to pin down in the past but genetics is definitely helping in unravelling the mystery of the Bell Beaker and other ancient groups like the Yamnaya.

[ozarknation]

Originally Posted by Bernie20

It's not really weird and no L21 (R1b1b2a1a2f*) is not Irish. It is very high in France for example. To really know if you had likely Irish ancestry you would have to test much further down the L21 branch. All the more Irish subclades are quite far down the L21 tree. See the map I posted above which explains how broad some of these categories are. L21 is just more common in Ireland and Britain but also Northern France but it didn't originate from there.

All the R1b branches are likely to be Bell Beaker especially the ones under S21. I could go into more detail but this should be enough for people if they want to research the topic more.

Your autosomal dna is much more likely to show you what populations you are closest to. Post your Eurogenes K13 or K15 and that will be more indicative of your ancestry.

Here is my Eurogene K15:

Population
North_Sea 7.79
Atlantic 17.47
Baltic 5.95
Eastern_Euro 2.50
West_Med 13.59
West_Asian 2.39
East_Med 8.62
Red_Sea 3.15
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.60
Amerindian 26.67
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.24
Sub-Saharan 9.03

My Y-DNA is: R1b1b2a1a2f*
My MtDNA is: C1

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by ozarknation

Here is my Eurogene K15:

Population
North_Sea 7.79
Atlantic 17.47
Baltic 5.95
Eastern_Euro 2.50
West_Med 13.59
West_Asian 2.39
East_Med 8.62
Red_Sea 3.15
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.60
Amerindian 26.67
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.24
Sub-Saharan 9.03

My Y-DNA is: R1b1b2a1a2f*
My MtDNA is: C1

I'm interested in your oracles e.g. what populations you get? I've just noticed you are Latin American so the Eurogenes wouldn't give a really good result.

My K15 looks like this for example.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.425280
2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
4 Danish @ 4.453959
5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
7 North_German @ 5.882824
8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
11 Swedish @ 9.296607
12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
13 West_German @ 12.499153
14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
15 East_German @ 16.492691
16 French @ 16.524723
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
18 Austrian @ 21.142027
19 Finnish @ 21.647963
20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

[brownbagg]

Originally Posted by RaleighLass

. To the Iberian, I have no clue! I have reason to believe it's on my Irish Scots side. I hope this helps to know

what people dont relizes the low percent-ed. Like the Iberian, is about 3-5000 years ago. during the ice age.

When people move, they leave people behind, those during the sampling of people will show up. so even if your family is 100% british, at one time they came out of the northern Africa area. These low percents are people left behind on that route.

Two groups of L21. one group went into northern Siberia and travel west through Germany, Norway.

another group went south through turkey. Greece, Italy, Spain.

some mixture between the both in northern France, or franks, although these are different groups living in same area, these are the Celtic, which really not a people but a way of lifestyle. These also mix with the picts, who some believe are the original British, of people living there during the ice ages. Nobody really knows who they are. The Celtic are not really a group because they are a mix of everybody with the same lifestyle in the bronze ages. DNA cannot really separate them from others.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by brownbagg

what people dont relizes the low percent-ed. Like the Iberian, is about 3-5000 years ago. during the ice age.

When people move, they leave people behind, those during the sampling of people will show up. so even if your family is 100% british, at one time they came out of the northern Africa area. These low percents are people left behind on that route.

Two groups of L21. one group went into northern Siberia and travel west through Germany, Norway.

another group went south through turkey. Greece, Italy, Spain.

some mixture between the both in northern France, or franks, although these are different groups living in same area, these are the Celtic, which really not a people but a way of lifestyle. These also mix with the picts, who some believe are the original British, of people living there during the ice ages. Nobody really knows who they are. The Celtic are not really a group because they are a mix of everybody with the same lifestyle in the bronze ages. DNA cannot really separate them from others.

Are you meaning R1b? L21 only occurred after it split from P312 which would have happened somewhere in East / Central Europe.

[Jimrob1]

Originally Posted by ozarknation

As far as I know, people from northern Spain (Basques) are related to the Irish people.
As someone mentioned here the other day, the Irish didn't travel to Spain, the Spaniards traveled to Ireland, hundred of years ago.
Have you done your Y-DNA test yet?
My grandparents are Southern Europeans, and my Y-DNA is Irish. (R1b1b2a1a2f*)
Apparently I have a Basque grandfather or an Irish grandfather.

This is correct. Many refer to these Irish people as Black Irish. Dark hair some have brown or green eyes.

[Bernie20]

Originally Posted by Jimrob1

This is correct. Many refer to these Irish people as Black Irish. Dark hair some have brown or green eyes.

I guess it doesn't matter how much evidence people post does it? What about the Black Dutch or Black Swedes? Black Irish is actually an American creation. It is not used by Irish people because of course there is no such people.

[ozarknation]

Originally Posted by Jimrob1

This is correct. Many refer to these Irish people as Black Irish. Dark hair some have brown or green eyes.

I have heard about that before, and they are related to the Basque from Spain and France

[ozarknation]

Originally Posted by Bernie20

I'm interested in your oracles e.g. what populations you get? I've just noticed you are Latin American so the Eurogenes wouldn't give a really good result.

My K15 looks like this for example.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.425280
2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
4 Danish @ 4.453959
5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
7 North_German @ 5.882824
8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
11 Swedish @ 9.296607
12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
13 West_German @ 12.499153
14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
15 East_German @ 16.492691
16 French @ 16.524723
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
18 Austrian @ 21.142027
19 Finnish @ 21.647963
20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

This is my result. What do you suggest?

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Amerindian 26.67
2 Atlantic 17.47
3 West_Med 13.59
4 Sub-Saharan 9.03
5 East_Med 8.62
6 North_Sea 7.79
7 Baltic 5.95
8 Red_Sea 3.15
9 Eastern_Euro 2.50
10 West_Asian 2.39
11 Siberian 1.60
12 Northeast_African 1.24


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 32.567261
2 Tuscan @ 33.038918
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 33.172207
4 Portuguese @ 33.315029
5 Bulgarian @ 33.341644
6 Romanian @ 33.466343
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 33.485912
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 33.727829
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 33.801678
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 33.827488
11 Serbian @ 34.048466
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 34.359238
13 Spanish_Valencia @ 34.427643
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 34.435085
15 Greek @ 34.537365
16 West_Sicilian @ 34.765625
17 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 34.823830
18 Spanish_Cantabria @ 35.288689
19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 35.344875
20 Southwest_French @ 35.687767

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Amerindian +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.042974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French +25% Karitiana +25% Mozabite_Berber @ 10.014030


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Karitiana + Moldavian + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.388491
2 French_Basque + Karitiana + Moldavian + Tunisian @ 7.440250
3 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian @ 7.444100
4 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Andalucia @ 7.558465
5 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.568205
6 Croatian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.592055
7 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Valencia @ 7.595299
8 Croatian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 7.596601
9 French_Basque + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 7.601470
10 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.615140
11 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French @ 7.675843
12 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 7.686224
13 French_Basque + Karitiana + Romanian + Tunisian @ 7.688328
14 Austrian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.722970
15 French_Basque + Hungarian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber @ 7.728830
16 French_Basque + Karitiana + Serbian + Tunisian @ 7.736762
17 French_Basque + Hungarian + Karitiana + Tunisian @ 7.745442
18 Croatian + Karitiana + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.750185
19 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Moldavian @ 7.803400
20 Algerian + French_Basque + Karitiana + Romanian @ 7.815128