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This is the kind of thing that frequently throws people off about haplogroups and it is easy to understand why. It is easy to assume that the places with the highest concentrations of a given haplogroup today are the places where the haplogroup originated. But often it is not the case. The map suggests that R-L21 when it arrived in the British Isles had little competition.
For what it's worth...
Maternal... K1a3a maternal line goes straight to Kerry in western Ireland. The haplogroup goes back to the near east 35k years ago.
Paternal... R1b1b2a1a paternal line is Baltic German/Pomeranian. The haplogroup is European going back 17k years.
At this point it isn't conclusive where L-21 originated more ancient DNA samples need to be collected.
The map you posted indicates that R-L21 is most concentrated in the isles nothing more. Perhaps you did not know R1b spread from the Russian/Ukranian steppe but isn't common in the current populations of the steppe.
The map you posted shows where it ended up, which is very different from where it originated.
Was your father's father's father's (etc.) father from Italy? Or somewhere else?
I guess they were from somewhere else. We are talking about people who migrated around Europe 1,000 or maybe 2,000 years ago. Maybe your great grand parents are from another place too.
You said you also have the same Haplogroup?, have you done any research?
No, the map just shows the highest concentration is currently found in the British Isles, but can also be found in varying degrees in several parts of Europe, include parts of Italy, especially Northern Italy near the French border where you say your family is from.
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Apparently this haplogroup immigrated to Southern Europe from the British Islands.
No, you've got it backwards. The R haplogroup orginated in Western Eurasia and R1b migrated into Europe, especially Western Europe. There is no Y haplogroup that went from Britain to mainland Europe.
I guess they were from somewhere else. We are talking about people who migrated around Europe 1,000 or maybe 2,000 years ago. Maybe your great grand parents are from another place too.
You said you also have the same Haplogroup?, have you done any research?
When you say your ancestors were from Italy, which ancestors are they? Because haplogroups are inherited in a very specific line. Paternal haplogroups can only be passed from father to son. So if your father's mother's family came from italy, it would be irrelevant to your paternal haplogroup. We are only talking about direct paternal line: your father's father's father's father, back for over 1000 years. So what do you know about that line?
R-L21 has been associated with Celtic culture and migrations, and the map of R-L21 today closely matches the map of the extent of Celtic migration in Western Europe.
My paternal line is a dead end at my 3rd great grandfather who died in the US in 1838 (and who had an English-sounding surname). We believe he was an immigrant but no records have been found. Additional testing through FTDNA revealed that our line is from the original R-L21 group without the further subclades that over 99% of R-L21 people belong to in the British Isles. Nobody in Ireland has been found to belong to this group. And one person from my group has been found in northern Italy. We are hoping someone with this surname in England will eventually test and match our group so that we can find out where our "patriarch" came from. Many others in the US with this surname have tested but none are a match to my line.
When you say your ancestors were from Italy, which ancestors are they? Because haplogroups are inherited in a very specific line. Paternal haplogroups can only be passed from father to son. So if your father's mother's family came from italy, it would be irrelevant to your paternal haplogroup. We are only talking about direct paternal line: your father's father's father's father, back for over 1000 years. So what do you know about that line?
It is my father's side. And yes, I can trace my paternal line all the way to Italy, but it stops there, we can not trace it any further.
As per FTDNA and Gedmatch we have some cousins in New Jersey, we have been emailing each other, they also have italian ancestry.
It is my father's side. And yes, I can trace my paternal line all the way to Italy, but it stops there, we can not trace it any further.
As per FTDNA and Gedmatch we have some cousins in New Jersey, we have been emailing each other, they also have italian ancestry.
There is nothing about your haplogroup that conflicts with your known paternal lineage.
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