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The best test I know is the Jack Daniels test. My grandmother was 1/2 Cherokee and everyone in our family turns schizo and mean as hell when they drink. We call it going on the war path.
Proof positive that the Cherokee came across from Ireland.
I personally believe that both "blacks" and "whites" embellish how much native ancestry they actually have (if at all). I remember back in my predominantly black elementary school, everyone had a native american grandmother! I also think back to a communications class I had in college a few years ago. The teacher asked us to go around the room and state our background. Almost every white person in the room was native american! As a result, I naturally assumed that such stories in my family were also an embellishment. I sent away for an admixture test and to my astonishment I am actually part native american (12%). My maternal grandfather had always stated that his grandmother was native. He does indeed look native and he is from Southwest Missouri; I just never believed him. My paternal relatives also stated such a fact about a gg grandparent. So there are a number of African Americans who are in fact part native. I personally believe that a higher percentage of African-Americans are part native than the number of European-Americans, mostly due to the greater number of years African-Americans have been in America (on average) and our smaller population number. I also think that people who self identify as Native American are less Native than they are actually led to believe. There was recently a genetic admixture study of people who self-identified as "full-blooded" in New Mexico. However, on average, those who believed themselves to be 100% Native American were ~66% NA/34% Euro. There are virtually no pure Native Americans left in the US.
Would someone explain to me how if, "race is just a social construct"... we can have percentage values like these that are confirmed by some sort of genetic test?
I mean how can someone be "12% Native American by admixture test" if there are no scientifically identifiable races?
Dude, my brother and I are as White physically as any other, and yet we have cards saying we are 1/256 Cherokee. I don't know if these cards prove we have that ancestry, but 1/256 is extremely insignificant and the same as 0.00390625.
I don't know why we have the cards or how. We are White Americans with a European last name.
My great-grandmother and her family are Tsalagi (Cherokee) they were on the Trail of Tears, the Indian removal act, my grandfather was a half breed,Tsalagi/Irish my grandmother was 3/4 Tsalagi and Irish, my father was 3/4 Tsalagi,1/4 Irish, my mother was Irish, so that means that I am Tsalagi and Irish. Here's a little bit of interesting information, it seems as though about 24,000 years ago a band of Europeans came across to the American continent and settle all up and down the eastern part of the North American continent and became known as the Clovis people, mainly because of the Clovis points that were found in a place called Clovis, New Mexico, however it's a known fact that the majority of the Clovis points found in this country have been found in Delaware, Maryland and Virginia and further south. Those first Europeans were known as the Solutrens, these people later became the different tribes up and down the eastern coast of North America including the Tsalagi, some of these Europeans were also fair skin and blue eyes and DNA testing has been able to prove this migration almost 24,000 years ago, so it would not be unusual for some Native American tribes to have some of its members that are fair skin and blue eyes.
The earliest carbon-dated Clovis points are estimated to be only 13,000-13,500 years old, not 24,000 years old, and the general idea is that the "First" came across over a land bridge at Bering straits to Alaska and down the west coast - not the east. This would put their origins in Siberia, not Europe. Scientists contesting that theory believe that there were already natives living on this continent, and that the Clovis weren't the first at all.
You need to get caught up to date on some of the latest digs that are going on in Tidewater Virginia, there is no reference to any of the points from Asia that look anything like the Clovis point and it's a well-known fact that there are more Clovis points that have been found throughout parts of Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia than anywhere else in the country and some of the Clovis points that have been found on the eastern coast date back further than the ones found in Clovis, New Mexico, I personally have a few of them myself from the East Coast that had been dated by the Smithsonian Institution at more than 14,000 years and these points were found along the Patuxent River in Maryland, there are a couple of digs going on now in Tidewater Virginia that show that occupation has been there almost 50,000 years and some human remains that have been found and were able to get DNA from trace it back to Europeans. You see the problem with using the Clovis point as a starting point is that the first Clovis points were found in Clovis, New Mexico, prior to that nobody had been able to distinguish where those Clovis points had come from, it was assumed that they came from the Asian migration but there is no comparison of any type of points from Asia that compared to the Clovis point yet in Europe there are plenty of points that are similar to the Clovis point, so you can see where the miscalculations made, the Clovis point originated in Europe not in Asia.
there are a couple of digs going on now in Tidewater Virginia that show that occupation has been there almost 50,000 years and some human remains that have been found and were able to get DNA from trace it back to Europeans.
Please provide links to those. Everyone keeps gunning to disprove Clovis as the earliest evidence of man in the New World but never seems to convince the scientific community. I'll believe it when it's generally accepted. That's how science works.
Like most, Your white, so you must be right!! The Indigenous People were here first, not if ands or BUTs!!! Truth hurts!
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It was considered a blight on your social status. This is where the notion of the European "wiping out the native ancestry" came from. Then, a few years ago, it became fashionable, (as well as form of elitism) for some to indicate, "Oh, I have native American blood in me." This is especially true of people of African decent, they often dis-own their African ancestory, claiming only native American ancestory in spite of not resembling anything like what the original tribesmen looked like. In Rhode Island we have the Narragansett Indian tribe that has been given extensive subsidies, and are consistently dissatisfied with their living situation no matter how much they are given. Like other tribes, they resented being offered customs associated with European ancestory, but now, they have changed their minds, and vigilantly want their own casinos--craving good old capitalism.
Exclaiming they have native ancestory, seems to give them a sense of "elitism" over the decendents of European settlers, thus should be entitled to certain privilege. They ignore that it was the Europeans whom civilized this great nation, allowing their people to live in houses with heat in the winter, and with plumbing and electricity along with everything powered by electricity. Much of which was offered for free. They have access to free education, a fire dept, a police dept, medical care, yet don't pay any taxes.
I wonder if any native tribesmen have considered what their plight might have been like if the Empire of Japan had colonized this land first?, or perhaps the Russians? In this case, I think there plight would have been far more grave than can be imagined.
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Like most, Your white, so you must be right!! The Indigenous People were here first, not if ands or BUTs!!! Truth hurts!
