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Old 12-29-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Before anyone starts saying we need to drill more oil, they need to realize that even the oil from our own reserves goes into a global commodities pool whose prices are dictated by demand. We are now competing with China and even India for a share of the resources in that pool. Oil prices will inevitably go up.

And one also need to realize that petroleum products impact the demand on that commodities pool. Plastics come to mind very quickly.

Not only do we need to build more fuel efficient cars, we need to cut back on our use of throw-away plastics.
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Old 12-29-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Thanks for the heads up! I say raise gas prices to subsidize mass transit! And instead of impeaching Obama (as one poster said), how about NEVER elect a president who has a big hand in oil EVER again (ala George Bush Jr.).
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Old 12-29-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Funny thing is, so many people equate Oil prices to Gas prices, when Oil is used in so many things we consume.

Real differences can be made in reducing our consumption of Petroleum, but everyone only focuses on Gasoline consumption.

How about:
Reusable bags instead of plastic bags?
Steel drinking containers, reusable coffee mugs
Look at the products you buy (laundry and dish detergent, health/beauty products, etc).

It's quite amazing when you really look at all the places we're consuming OIL
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Old 12-29-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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1992 Honda Civic VX Hatchback = 66 MPG.

What happened?!?
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Well, its the problem of your elected officials in your city. Here elected officials actually spend money on public mass transit. In the following decades the Northeast corridor will spend over $1 trillion on rail infrastructure alone. I work in Brooklyn and my workplace is within an 8 minute walk from 7 train stations serving 13 subway train lines ( 2, 3, 4, 5, A, B, C, D, N, Q, G, F, R).
A Trillion? Well actually all the Northeastern Rail projects will cost a total of 750 Billion $$ and generate about 600-900 Billion in TOD / ROD projects. Its expensive however , theres a trade off to it , in the format of revenue for the towns and cities with stations along the lines....
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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A Trillion? Well actually all the Northeastern Rail projects will cost a total of 750 Billion $$ and generate about 600-900 Billion in TOD / ROD projects. Its expensive however , theres a trade off to it , in the format of revenue for the towns and cities with stations along the lines....
Where did you get that 750 bil number? i am trying to search the Northeast Business Alliance and can't find the exact numbers.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:15 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Where did you get that 750 bil number? i am trying to search the Northeast Business Alliance and can't find the exact numbers.
I added all the projects up , proposed and planned....and added inflation....The Northeast plans to restore about 5,000+ miles of Railway by 2050. The More expensive projects are the Urban and Electrified Railways.....the cheaper ones are the Rural connectors and feeder lines....some not even costing 80 million , but serving alot of people.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:33 PM
 
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In the long run we'll be much better off paying the actual cost of energy.

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Old 12-29-2010, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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I suppose if I had a car that got 45 mpg I could deal with $5 a gallon gas. I survived $3.50 gas and my current vehicle gets about 25 mpg.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:38 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Where did you get that 750 bil number? i am trying to search the Northeast Business Alliance and can't find the exact numbers.
Heres the list broken down state by state....i took the plans and proposes form the state , and Private groups / companies. Its 18,211 miles of Regional , Intercity and Tram / Trains , i haven't touched the Urban / Suburban rail plans yet....but those are smaller.

Virginia

Current system size : 90 mi
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 116
added Miles of Diesel Rail / Intercity Rail : 517


New Hampshire

Current system size : 20
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 150
added miles of Intercity Rail : 74


New Jersey

Current system size : 570 mi
added Miles of DMU Rail : 98
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 346
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 254
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 133


Lower Hudson Valley

Current system size : 156 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 221
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 148


Northeastern PA

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Diesel / Intercity Rail : 193


Southern Tier New York

Current system size : 0
added miles of Diesel : 59
added miles of Intercity Rail : 129


Upstate New York

Current system size : 460
added miles of Intercity Rail : 90


Long Island

Current system size : 700
added miles of Electrified Rail : 640


Southeastern PA

Current system size : 450
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 335
added Miles of DMU : 92
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108


Amish Country

Current system size : 50
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 36
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 47

Connecticut

Current system size : 132
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 248
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 74
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 58


Massachusetts

Current system size : 368
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 270
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 102
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 452


Maine

Current system size : 40
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 246



Delaware

Current system size : 20 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 249
added miles of Electrified Rail : 37


Maryland

Current system size : 187 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 60
added miles of Electrified Rail : 20

Rhode Island

Current system size : 30
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 76
added miles of Diesel Rail : 49


Total Added miles : 18,211


Current JCT cities - Cities with 2 or more Regional Rail lines or 1 Regional Rail line and a connecting Rail Transit service


Newark
Philly
Rahway
Trenton
NYC
Boston
Springfield
Norristown
Lansdale
Baltimore
DC
Secaucus


Future JCT Cities

By 2020

Providence
Harrisburg
Allentown
Philpsburg
Beacon,NY
Richmond
Fredrick
Trenton
Wilmington
Camden
New Brunswick,NJ
Danbury
Worcester
Springfield
Paterson
Hackensack
Elizabeth,NJ
Norristown
King of Prussia
Bound Brook
Manville,NJ
Wayne
Lawrence,MA
Salem,MA
Attleboro,MA
Taunton,MA
Monmouth JCT
Norfolk
Hampton Roads

By 2030 - 2040

Dover
New London
Portland,ME
Manchester,NH
Reading
West Chester
White Plains
Tarrytown
Port Chester
Binghamton
Hartford
Waterbury
Newark,DE
Lynchburg
Roanoke
Albany
Rochester
Syracuse
Scranton
York
South Amboy
Perth Amboy
Staten Island
Hudson,NY
Suffern,NY
Lancaster
Fall River
New Bedford
Greenfield,MA
Concord,NH


LIRR
Location : Long Island and Manhattan
Daily Ridership : 341,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 570,000+)
System size : 700+ mi
Stations : 124
Future upgrades / Expansions : Wading River line Restoration , Central Branch , Montauk Branch , Port Jefferson Branch Electrification , East Side Access Project , City Core Rail line , Sunset Park line


NJT Regional Rail
Location : New Jersey , Rockland and Orange counties NY
Daily Ridership : 330,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 750,000+)
System size : 536 mi
Stations : 162 stations
Future Upgrades / Expansions : Flemington line , West Trenton line , Cape May line , Toms River line , Freehold line , Lehigh Valley line , Philpsburg Extension of the Morristown line , Lackawanna line , Pompton line , Sparta line , 5 New Transfer Stations ,more Electrification


MNRR
Location : Northern NYC Suburbs and Connecticut
Daily Ridership : 287,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 420,000+)
System size : 156 mi
Stations : 120
Future upgrades / Expansions : MNRR expansion to Penn Station , West Shore line , Restoration of the Graham & Beacon lines


MBTA Regional Rail
Location : Eastern Massachusetts , Northern Rhode Island
Daily Ridership : 130,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 642,000+)
System size : 368 mi
Stations : 132
Future Upgrades / Expansions : Restoration of Cape Cod , Newport / Fall River line , New Bedford line , Greenfield line , Concord line , Portsmouth / Newburyport line , Manchester / Lawrence line.... North - South Tunnel , Ayer line , Electrified lines


Septa Regional Rail
Location : Southeastern PA , Northern Delaware , and Southern Jersey
Daily Ridership : 121,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 370,000+)
System size : 450 mi
Stations : 150
Future Upgrades / Expansions : Restoration of West Chester , Reading , Allentown , Stony Branch , Newton lines ....New lines , New Hope ,
Parkersburg Extension of the Thorndale line , Newark / Boothywn line , Coatesville line , Oxford lines


MARC Train
Location : Maryland
Daily Ridership : 33,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 160,000+)
System size : 187 mi
Stations : 43
Future Upgrades / Expansions : Restoration of the Annapolis , LA plata lines and Extension of the Brunswick line to Hagerstorm , service to Ocean City and Penn Service to Wilmington
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