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AAVE is not an accent; it's simply a type of speech with its own grammatical rules. You can speak "Black English" with a full blown Boston accent.
In Boston, it's often the people are straight African American who have the strongest accents (yes, AAs do exist in New England).
In other words, a southern dialect with a bit of Boston influence. It's amazing that so many want to reject themselves and are so dependent on whites in the resident city to create an identity for themselves.
In other words, a southern dialect with a bit of Boston influence. It's amazing that so many want to reject themselves and are so dependent on whites in the resident city to create an identity for themselves.
No, I mean it's not a "dialect." Some Black people in Boston will say the word "car" or "park" just as a white Bostonian would. But the grammatical rules that govern their speech are different. Whereas in standard English (with a Boston accent) one would say...
Where did you pahk the cah?
In AAVE, one would say...
Where you pahk the cah (at)?
That's the biggest difference. It has nothing to do with the way the vowels sound. Mike Tyson uses AAVE but hardly sounds southern.
No, I mean it's not a "dialect". Some Black people in Boston will say the word "car&" or "park" just as a white Bostonian would. But the grammatical rules that govern their speech are different. Whereas in standard English (with a Boston accent) one would say...
Where did you pahk the cah?
In AAVE, one would say...
Where you pahk the cah (at)?
That's the biggest difference. It has nothing to do with the way the vowels sound. Mike Tyson uses AAVE but hardly sounds southern.
Ya I know what you mean but to me black guys in Boston still sound southern. Only the guys who grew up in mostly white areas don't sound southern. Dude it's plainly obvious to me I don't know how it's even a debate on it TBH.
Ya I know what you mean but to me black guys in Boston still sound southern. Only the guys who grew up in mostly white areas don't sound southern. Dude it's plainly obvious to me I don't know how it's even a debate on it TBH.
Black people in Boston sound Black. They don't Southern. There's a difference.
The interesting thing here is that White people view Black people as this huge monolith. But if you put some Black people in a room together from Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, DC, Atlanta, Dallas and Toronto, they'd likely be able to pick out who was from where much faster than White people from the same cities would.
Black people in Boston sound Black. They don't Southern. There's a difference.
The interesting thing here is that White people view Black people as this huge monolith. But if you put some Black people in a room together from Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, DC, Atlanta, Dallas and Toronto, they'd likely be able to pick out who was from where much faster than White people from the same cities would.
No need to get racial. It depends what class they are. Well educated blacks in the States usually talk like whites. In Toronto all blacks expect off the boat immigrants talk "white" so no need to include Toronto as if it's the product of Southern migration. The differences actual American blacks in speech is minimal just look at how they all moved from the south within the last century tops. I guess I'm going to agree with ColdAilment there is some denial going on here. Anyways dude it would be great to see black American people to come to terms with their history/heritage because you have an interesting story but I don't get the self rejection.
There is no "self-rejection" going on here when we say Black people from the Northeast don't sound Southern; it's the truth (excluding the older generation). There's definitely a difference but as it was said, I reckon to White ears we all sound alike. And socioeconomic status has nothing to do with it. An upper middle class Black person from Columbia, SC will not have the same accent or dialect as an upper middle class Black person from Hartford, CT.
No need to get racial. It depends what class they are. Well educated blacks in the States usually talk like whites. In Toronto all blacks expect off the boat immigrants talk "white" so no need to include Toronto as if it's the product of Southern migration. The differences actual American blacks in speech is minimal just look at how they all moved from the south within the last century tops. I guess I'm going to agree with ColdAilment there is some denial going on here. Anyways dude it would be great to see black American people to come to terms with their history/heritage because you have an interesting story but I don't get the self rejection.
You think Mutiny77, who was born and raised in the South (and also has a lot more than 98 posts), is in "denial"?
The logic here doesn't make much sense. AAVE is of Southern derivation, but speakers of AAVE do not necessarily sound Southern anymore than speakers of English sound like they are from the British Isles. It's not appropriate to categorize AAVE as a "dialect" per se because it's really just a fancier word for "ebonics" or Black English.
They don't all sound Southern because they are not all Southern. Even if their ancestors were Southern, being born and raised in other parts of the county would negate any Southern accents. Also, I disagree with the person that claims they all sound black. Really? I don't think so. Go to any Ivy league school and see if you can pick out the black students by their accents. I don't think so.
The logic here doesn't make much sense. AAVE is of Southern derivation, but speakers of AAVE do not necessarily sound Southern anymore than speakers of English sound like they are from the British Isles. It's not appropriate to categorize AAVE as a "dialect" per se because it's really just a fancier word for "ebonics" or Black English.
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