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Old 01-17-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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I know that many "poor whites" in the South are of Scottish and far northern English descent, mostly via Northern Ireland, but I don't really notice too much of a similarity between these dialects. Then again the "General American" seems to be descended largely from the Norfolk and West Country accents but sounds almost nothing like it aside from some base features like being rhotic and dropping fewer yods than usual (ie Toosday instead of Tyusday).

Are there any similarities between the Southern accent and the dialects of the Scottish borders? I thought maybe saying "honey" might be a similarity for one. There's actually a theory that the Valley Girl "uptalk" is Southern (Okie) in origin who were Ulster Scots and ultimately originates from the English spoken in the Anglo-Celtic kingdom of Northumbria.
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Old 01-20-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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I know that many "poor whites" in the South are of Scottish and far northern English descent, mostly via Northern Ireland, but I don't really notice too much of a similarity between these dialects. Then again the "General American" seems to be descended largely from the Norfolk and West Country accents but sounds almost nothing like it aside from some base features like being rhotic and dropping fewer yods than usual (ie Toosday instead of Tyusday).

Are there any similarities between the Southern accent and the dialects of the Scottish borders? I thought maybe saying "honey" might be a similarity for one. There's actually a theory that the Valley Girl "uptalk" is Southern (Okie) in origin who were Ulster Scots and ultimately originates from the English spoken in the Anglo-Celtic kingdom of Northumbria.


Sooooo "many "poor whites" in the south are of Scottish" ? LOL ,not German, Italian, or English but the poor whites are Scottish huh wow lol.
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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I've seen some suggest the Appalachian/Inland Southern accents are derived from an older Scots-Irish accent. There are some terms that may have connections--"Cracker" from "Craic," "Hillbilly" from "Billyboy," "Redneck," from the Presbyterian "Red Necks," "Hoosier" from "Hoo" (meaning hill in Old English). I may have potentially forgotten a term.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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I've seen some suggest the Appalachian/Inland Southern accents are derived from an older Scots-Irish accent. There are some terms that may have connections--"Cracker" from "Craic," "Hillbilly" from "Billyboy," "Redneck," from the Presbyterian "Red Necks," "Hoosier" from "Hoo" (meaning hill in Old English). I may have potentially forgotten a term.
Cracker comes from craic? That's pretty interesting.
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Not southern, but a loosely related Fun Fact:

Many of the iconic features of Pittsburghese, aka, Yinzer (in fact the word "yinz" itself), are primarily derived from Scots-Irish dialect.
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Appalachian English is derived from a mixture of Scotch-Irish and Northern English dialects, but Coastal Southern is not, since the settlers mainly came from Southern England.
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Old 01-21-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Cracker comes from craic? That's pretty interesting.
The earliest references to "Cracker" are all directly tied to "Craic."

It's not the only accepted etymology, though I absolutely reject the idea that it comes from the whip-cracking slave owners as the term originally only referred to poor whites (and the rich, whip-cracking slave owners would use the term "Cracker" pejoratively to refer to these poor whites).
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Old 12-28-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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My grandfather is a cranky old Scotsman with a shock of black hair and a fiery red beard. He's as true as they come, and I'll tell y what the damned internet won't; yes the southern American dialect came from the Scots, and the Irish who had enough balls to stand with them. They are mostly in the south because their ancestors were thrown into debtors prisons....

They are still very clannish, but their children usually go to college, not prison; and they have good grammar, and manners;(prior to the Jameson), respect their mothers, and make it to church on the obligatory holidays.
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Old 12-28-2014, 09:21 PM
 
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Closer to the coast in southern states, like North Carolina, I believe the accent is more derived from the English. This is the case along the Outer Banks. However, southern accents are derived from the English, Scottish, and Irish in general. Many Scots settled in the Appalachian Mountains.
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Old 12-28-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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Scots Irish is how the accent developed here in the Ozarks..all of the original settlers came from the Appalachian mountains.
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