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No you are factually wrong. The official Census definition of those states as the South. So complain and give your “hell-to-the-naw” to the Federal Government! And to Wikipedia!
No you are factually wrong. The official Census definition of those states as the South. So complain and give your “hell-to-the-naw” to the Federal Government! And to Wikipedia!
Just because the U.S census says so doesn't make it factually correct. That's only one opinion. People who lived in some of those states also deserve an opinion on this matter.
Maryland is just like New Jersey (I grew up in NJ). Maryland is crowded, has a lot of traffic, very populated most places you go around the state, has ghetto cities like most of NJ's cities, etc. The only difference is the people seem nicer there, the parks are more scenic (especially due to the Chesapeake Bay), and the food scenery is better.
The "similarities" you list for MD and NJ are extremely superficial. The only real "ghetto" city in Maryland that has any sort of resemblance to a NJ city is Baltimore which is sort of like MD's version of Newark and even then, there are several notable differences between the two cities and certainly many more between both states as a whole.
At the turn of the 20th century, Missouri was widely considered Southern (former slave state, very deep Union/Confederacy split, Jim Crow laws were observed, etc.)
In 1904, the state voted Republican in the presidential election (which was a break from the usual Democratic stronghold) and since then, has grown to be viewed as more Midwestern than Southern. The southern 1/4th of the state or so is undeniably Southern, but doesn't make the state Southern as a whole.
Midwesterners do NOT call Oklahoma midwest. Because it isn't.
Yeah this is actually the first time I’ve heard that OK is even considered midwestern by some. It’s certainly not considered midwestern by people who live in the Great Lakes region of the Midwest.
Black people from St Louis are southern. The works of Mark Twain are Southern. Branson is a Mecca of Southern culture.
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Originally Posted by Turnerbro
Because it was a border state during the civil war. Some people consider border states to be fully southern. I still think of it as being more mid-western than southern, but not everyone agrees with that hence why it's on this list.
Missouri is hard to pigeonhole into a region. The great migration brought a lot of southern black people to St. Louis but there was once a long-term black population centered in St. Louis that was not from the deep south. Twain wrote a couple books while living back east that reflect the south of 170 years ago, especially the culture along the Mississippi River. He spent very little time in Missouri after about age 22 but lived and worked mostly out west and in New York and Connecticut. Branson is an odd mix of Country Music and an inflated Ozark backwoods caricature that appeals to some Texans and Midwesterners. I've never seen many Southerners flocking to Branson.
Essentially, Border States like Missouri (in the context of the Civil War) meant a slave state that bordered free states and opted to remain in the Union. Missouri voted for Stephen Douglas in the 1860 presidential election, the only state that did, and John Bell, the Constitutional Unionist candidate, came in second. (Bell was favored in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia.) So, even in the 1860s, the state was not likely to conform to regional expectations...I guess we're a breed of nonconformists (for good or ill).
Yeah this is actually the first time I’ve heard that OK is even considered midwestern by some. It’s certainly not considered midwestern by people who live in the Great Lakes region of the Midwest.
This board is the first place that I’ve heard it called anything else. It’s a great plains state, and I believe most Americans consider the great plains to be the Midwest.
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