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Old 07-18-2021, 11:38 AM
 
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I wonder also if colder climates don't inhibit some degree of more petty crime, because:
1) Those extremely desperate leave for warmer climes, like California (imagine being homeless in North Dakota).
2) People simply don't want to be out doing anything when it's subzero.
Well NYC has a large portion of homeless ppl & we’re cold for like 8 months of the yr - @ least by my standards. The difference w/ NYC vs other cities is that we do a really good job of sheltering them so you see less on the streets. NYC has done a good job. But ya it makes sense you’d want to live where its warm if you are homeless

But also what portion of crimes are homeless responsible for? I think thats key here. Not all homeless ppl are criminals
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Old 07-19-2021, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well NYC has a large portion of homeless ppl & we’re cold for like 8 months of the yr - @ least by my standards. The difference w/ NYC vs other cities is that we do a really good job of sheltering them so you see less on the streets. NYC has done a good job. But ya it makes sense you’d want to live where its warm if you are homeless

But also what portion of crimes are homeless responsible for? I think thats key here. Not all homeless ppl are criminals
I know much of the petty crime in the populated areas around here is perpetrated by the homeless. There's basically no violent crime here. I imagine most white collar crimes go unpunished. So, while it probably isn't the poor and homeless doing most of the crime, it's the poor and homeless doing most of the visible and punished crime.

Areas with gangs likely have a different dynamic. And, as you say, larger cities shelter the desperate far better.
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Old 07-19-2021, 06:47 AM
 
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State rankings? How does this have value? Crime rates are driven by urban versus rural and by competency/staffing of local/county law enforcement, so what's the point?
So why is Massachusetts #5? It’s a massively urban state with the majority of the population living in the Boston metro. It has a number of failed cities with high poverty rates and unskilled labor forces. The flip side is that Massachusetts is the most highly educated state in the country and near the top for wealth and income.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:08 AM
 
Location: VB
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St.Louis isn't on that. Not among the 50 largest cities anymore?
Among cities proper it was 58th in the 2010 Census and 67th in the 2020 estimates (behind Greensboro, NC). The STL MSA is still top-20, though.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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So why is Massachusetts #5? It’s a massively urban state with the majority of the population living in the Boston metro. It has a number of failed cities with high poverty rates and unskilled labor forces. The flip side is that Massachusetts is the most highly educated state in the country and near the top for wealth and income.
I'd argue the reason why Mass is so high on the list is because there aren't any "failed" cities. Sure m, there are a few cities that need some work, but even the states that often have the highest murder rates in the state (Springfield, Brockton, Lawrence and even Boston) are nowhere nearly as bad as many other states. There's no equivalent to East St Lois, Camden or Gary anywhere in Mass.
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Old 07-19-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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It’s a little shaky. Connecticut had the 2nd highest HDI behind MA yet it’s 16 here. Massachusetts has the median black population for the US and a Hispanic population above the national median
I was thinking the same for NY, which has the highest black percentage outside of the South(is in the top 10-12) and is 3rd or 4th in overall black percentage, with a high Hispanic population as well. It is usually in the 15-20 range for these rankings.
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Old 07-19-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I'd argue the reason why Mass is so high on the list is because there aren't any "failed" cities. Sure m, there are a few cities that need some work, but even the states that often have the highest murder rates in the state (Springfield, Brockton, Lawrence and even Boston) are nowhere nearly as bad as many other states. There's no equivalent to East St Lois, Camden or Gary anywhere in Mass.
No....for all intents and purposes they're failed cities with no real economic purpose. They mostly serve a social purpose to acclimate newly arrived Americans. In general, it's hard to muster any private development to then. Especially commercial development. Most housing an initiative ar public/statefunded or a public-private partnership with modest goals. They've been mired in corruption on and off and have seen a notable physical and social decline for decades.

They provide low-quality low cost rental housing in a state that doesn't offer any rentals in its suburban areas compared to some others. The residents of whom arent particularly skilled but work jobs that the majority of Massachusetts simply wont. They are greatly benefitted by having a state government that doesn't hate them and a state government that invest heavily in aid and policy aimed towards propping up these urban areas. This is in contrast to neighboring CT which is a more suburban-oriented state.

Hopping to East St Louis Camden and Gary skips over a massive gradient of American cities and is at best disingenuous, and at worst sensationalism. Most states don't have Camden Gary or East St. Louis in their borders.

Your pointing to the lack of crime as a sign they're not failed but were essentially saying they ARE failed so why isn't there more crime?

TBH MA usually has the highest violent crime rate in the Northeast:

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/a...NEWS/312289957

https://www.patriotledger.com/articl...NEWS/311169649

https://www.masslive.com/news/2015/0..._2_most_d.html

the massive downward trend in crime is recent the last five years. As recently as 2013 8 Mass. cities were amongst the FBI 's 100 Most dangerous cities Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site

My theory is that economic prosperity is beginning to trickle down and changes in local culture/politics has led to improved QOL for Black/Hispanic people in urban Massachusetts.

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Old 07-19-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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This list would look a bit different if we were just going by violent crime and not including stuff like property crime etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ent_crime_rate
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Old 07-19-2021, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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This list would look a bit different if we were just going by violent crime and not including stuff like property crime etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ent_crime_rate
VERY different.
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Old 07-20-2021, 06:39 PM
 
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Not too surprised by Alaska - a lot of it legitimately still feels like the Wild West of previous centuries.
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