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Those settlers didn't stay in Iowa. Some kept going west. The largest ancestry in Iowa is German with 35 percent. That's nothing like New England.
European immigration was higher in the Midwest and Northeast than the South and West. Wether that be Germans, Scandinavians, Irish, Eastern Europeans, Italians, etc
True but everyone in Iowa isn't 100% German or Scandinavian. The midwesterners before immigration are of English descent and have roots in the northeast.
True but everyone in Iowa isn't 100% German or Scandinavian. The midwesterners before immigration are of English descent and have roots in the northeast.
German ancestry is incredibly overstated by people who live in Iowa and other states in the Midwest. Usually, if Americans have one or two grandparents with German ancestry, then they classify themselves as German-American and completely ignore or disregard their English ancestry, which might be greater than their German ancestry. The same phenomenon occurs with Americans who have Irish or Italian ancestry. Usually, one of the above prevails over English ancestry, especially in the Northeast.
I didn't read all of the posts, but I have a hard time lumping the Midwest in with the Northeast. I'm from the South and will say "the North" but I don't mean Kansas or Iowa really when I say that. I think there's just cultural differences (cuisine, ethnic, historical influences, languages, immigration history, and a plethora of other reasons) between the North and Midwest and there's just not really a way to bridge them culturally. In some respects, yes, the Northeast and Midwest are closer to one another than the South (possibly? but frankly, not sure that's true), and the South and Southwest or w/e are closer, but I think, generally, the neatest way to parse the US is:
New England (Boston)
Mid Atlantic (Philly)
Upper South (Charlotte)
Deep South (Jackson)
Midwest plains (KC)
Upper Midwest (Minn)
Mountain West (Cheyenne)
Southwest (Tucson)
West Coast (Los Angeles)
PNW (Portland)
There's certainly overlap between some of these groups and some states have cities that belong in multiple categories (or full states for the matter), but I'd at least start with those. I just don't think St. Paul or Fargo are much like Philly or Providence.
I didn't read all of the posts, but I have a hard time lumping the Midwest in with the Northeast. I'm from the South and will say "the North" but I don't mean Kansas or Iowa really when I say that. I think there's just cultural differences (cuisine, ethnic, historical influences, languages, immigration history, and a plethora of other reasons) between the North and Midwest and there's just not really a way to bridge them culturally. In some respects, yes, the Northeast and Midwest are closer to one another than the South (possibly? but frankly, not sure that's true), and the South and Southwest or w/e are closer, but I think, generally, the neatest way to parse the US is:
New England (Boston)
Mid Atlantic (Philly)
Upper South (Charlotte)
Deep South (Jackson)
Midwest plains (KC)
Upper Midwest (Minn)
Mountain West (Cheyenne)
Southwest (Tucson)
West Coast (Los Angeles)
PNW (Portland)
There's certainly overlap between some of these groups and some states have cities that belong in multiple categories (or full states for the matter), but I'd at least start with those. I just don't think St. Paul or Fargo are much like Philly or Providence.
Buffalo is more like St. Paul than Boston or NYC. St Louis has similarities with Baltimore. Milwaukee isn't that different from Rochester or Buffalo. Same with Cleveland. Minnesotans consider ourselves northerners. It makes no sense for only the small amount of states in the northeastern corner of the country to be the only northern states but the South can range from TX to VA.
True but everyone in Iowa isn't 100% German or Scandinavian. The midwesterners before immigration are of English descent and have roots in the northeast.
I'm not so sure about that. Most of the early white settlers of Iowa were descended from the Mid-Atlantic, a region with a large German, Dutch and Swedish population for much of the colonial period.
Tell someone from North Dakota or Minnesota that the north starts in GA and youll be laughed at.
Heck, tell someone in the SOUTHERN STATES that the north starts in Georgia and you'll be laughed at.
Virginia is a southern state by the way. So is NC. So is SC. For the record.
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