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Old 07-28-2008, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Ca2Mo2Ga2Va!
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I'm curious if ALL states get annoyed with outsiders moving in? By outsiders, I mean other Americans. We are all American and are free to move within our own country. Because you were born in a certain state, does not mean you control the borders.

As a San Diego native I am guilty of calling people from outside Ca "tourists" ...that's what you are called if you move to SD, no matter where from or how long you've been there, you're still a "tourist".

Same when we moved to Missouri, then WE were called "furriners" lol...(foreigners) yes, you can be a foreigner in your own country...that was new to me,lol...
And the conversation usually went like this "you ain't from around here is ya"...then we automatically were dubbed "furriners" (which I almost had my license plate made with the term "furriner" on it,lol...but dh wouldn't let me...we settled in and didn't get called furriners after we stopped acting like "furriners" lol.

So now here in Georgia, if you aren't from the south, you are a yankee. Although that dosn't fit us transplants from the west coast, although I'm sure there are some nice names for us,lol...but settling here, we've been accepted and have never been treated as outsiders and everyone has been very nice to us. But also we didn't come with attitudes and just enjoy where we live for all that it offers.

So, I'm wondering, does every state harbor some sort of resentment towards "transplants" ?
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:55 PM
 
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The Southern accent, at least in most southerners, isn't as thick or drawled as the media has led you to believe.

The following link has a southern accent that is typical for many under 40 southern suburbanites (people not living in rural areas). What's not to like about it.

By the way, it's person "D"
Do You Speak American . Sea to Shining Sea . American Varieties . Mapping | PBS
What would be wrong if it was thick? I hardly heard an accent on that website. I've heard much thicker accents. But remember, you don't live in the average South, you live in Atlanta so it's different. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that the stereotypes people apply wouldn't be as close to the truth for your area because you live in Atlanta.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:00 PM
 
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Have to take exception to comparing Northern racism to the South [no way near as much & never institutionalized like South was. Yes, there has been ugly racism all over our nation but there is one major difference. Mexicanos were not brought to the U.S. as slaves but rather actually lived in the Southwest [including Texas] before these areas were annexed. Some Chinese were brought over to build the railroads & nearly lived like slaves but quickly assimilated into the nation.
Why when we talk about "racism", is it always put in a context of white (racist), non-white (object of racism). Never do we even hear all of the real life examples of racism against white people. To put it frankly, it appears like an attack on whites.

At the time of the cession of the northern areas of Mexico to the United States, the area was estimated to be home to only seven thousand Mexicans. Furthermore, Mexico had only held the land for about thirteen years. Spain held it before that. The U.S. has since held it for 160 years, we developed it, cultivated it, and made it what it was. Let's keep things in perspective.

The Chinese never really assimilated. Just look at China Town in San Francisco, where many eventually ended up living. They never really assimilated, nor could they. They could perhaps acculturate, but most did not.

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I saw a thread that pointed out that the only states to allow school corporal punishment are all in the South.
I don't think that most schools are paddling any longer. However, what's wrong with the "dreaded" "Corporal punishment". When it was widespread, students were surely more respectful of their teachers and authority figures.

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Most executions occur in the South. These and other issues show that the South is essentially behind the rest of the nation in progressive thinking\ practice.
Do you think that it's right for a murderer to be able to live, while the family members of murder victims will never see their loved ones again. Capital Punishment does deter some people, as they know that if they take the life of someone they dislike, their life will be taken.

What exactly is "Progressive" in your mindset? Is it the nonsense socialist rantings that people are now saying is "progressive". Being progressive means going forward with ideas and technology that improve society, not destroy it. In no way can it be argued that so-called "Progressive" policies and views are beneficial to a society.

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For some Southerners there's an anger toward the North that lingers from the Civil War [now, it is understandable to react when your home region is criticized] but the South has advanced considerably. As I wrote earlier, the best way for people to grow is in diversity & why the migration from northern/western areas into the South has been a good thing.
The best way for people to grow is in "diversity" and "migration"? In whose opinion? Yours? If anything, peace is best made by an absence of diversity (common sense: less interaction=less friction=being more tolerant to "progressive" viewpoints, as you don't know it is total nonsense due to ignorance).

You're right that the South has advanced, as has every region, infrastructurally, etc. The South has the LARGEST population. Are you not getting this through your head? How can the largest, most populated region of the country, by far, at 110 million be the backwards, behind place that you're making it out to be, when it is home to over one-third of the nation's residents, and when it has grown the most. It, along with the west to some extent, has been the economic engine or powerhouse over the past twenty years. Rust belt cities have remained stagnant.

There has been little migration into the South from the west, relatively speaking, compared to the Northeast and Midwest.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:28 PM
 
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What would be wrong if it was thick? I hardly heard an accent on that website. I've heard much thicker accents. But remember, you don't live in the average South, you live in Atlanta so it's different. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that the stereotypes people apply wouldn't be as close to the truth for your area because you live in Atlanta.
Nothing is wrong if it is thick, and there are some who do have a thich accent. However, most people don't. The accent link I provided (accent D) is very characteristic of the speech of a white southern male under the age of forty, though it is more like what you'll find in suburban areas than rural areas.

Why is the Atlanta area supposedly isolated from this? Seriously, do you not think that you can find a lot of these so-called negative characteristics in the rural areas of other regions? Of course. Then, if that's the case, why does the South have to be viewed in a different light, and then various parts of the South get viewed as "not typical". Why? You could say the same for any metropolitan area of the south.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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Nothing is wrong if it is thick, and there are some who do have a thich accent. However, most people don't. The accent link I provided (accent D) is very characteristic of the speech of a white southern male under the age of forty, though it is more like what you'll find in suburban areas than rural areas.

Why is the Atlanta area supposedly isolated from this? Seriously, do you not think that you can find a lot of these so-called negative characteristics in the rural areas of other regions? Of course. Then, if that's the case, why does the South have to be viewed in a different light, and then various parts of the South get viewed as "not typical". Why? You could say the same for any metropolitan area of the south.
Okay, I see your point.

I'm saying it's sort of like people from NYC defending their state from Upstate NY stereotypes. Some of them might be true but wouldn't really have a chance of applying to them because they're in NYC.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:41 PM
 
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I'm actually laughing out loud. The OP has exhibited much of the stereotypes he's trying to refute. Too funny.
And what may those be?
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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Okay, I see your point.

I'm saying it's sort of like people from NYC defending their state from Upstate NY stereotypes. Some of them might be true but wouldn't really have a chance of applying to them because they're in NYC.
What are those Upstate New York stereotypes? I'm curious.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:50 PM
 
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Sky,

Where do I start. There are about 35 million blacks in the US. The US population is over 300 million. So blacks are about 10 percent of the population. Are you really going to tell me that blacks are the sole cause of the south's low rankings in education, per capita income and poverty?

The percentage of the black population in poverty as a whole, does rank higher compared to the whites population. But based on raw numbers, there are more whites living below the poverty line than blacks. To give you a snap shot of what I am talking about. Take Arkansas for example. 2.8 million people live in this state. Whites make up 82% of the population. Blacks make up 15% of the population. The rest of the population is made up of hispanics and asians which total about 3%. Out of the 415,000 blacks in Arkansas, almost 40% of them are poor which equates to about 166,000 blacks living in poverty. Even if ten percent of the white population of 2.2 million in Arkansas live under the poverty line, that's still a whopping 220,000 people that are poor. But guess what? More than ten percent of whites do live under the poverty line in many southern states.

My point being, there are rural places in this (WV, MS, LA, AR, GA, KY, TN) country where the BLACK population is less than 1%. Guess what genius? These areas are typically dirt poor, filled with bible thumpers and very very conservative. See the trend here! Do some serious research before you throw an entire race under the bus as an excuse to the south's pitiful problems.

Because of your ignorance, people like myself will always have a negative perception of the south as a backwater place. BTW - I'm not gay, but who am I to say that two gay people can't form a union under god?
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:51 PM
 
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What are those Upstate New York stereotypes? I'm curious.
Lol I don't know. I was just using it as the fact that I've heard a comedian say "once you get out of Atlanta, you're in Georgia."
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:52 PM
 
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Racism against white people? You must be high.
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