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I dislike NJ because it's overcrowded and over developed, in addition to a nanny government that makes it one of the least free states in the U.S. I'm not a Southerner either.
The least crowded parts of NJ are still more crowded than Northern New England or states like Alaska. I've seen what passes for "rural" in NJ and it simply isn't close to rural to someone from VT who's also spent time in Northern Maine. It's simply light suburban. There isn't a lot of private property within the protected portion of the Pine Barrens to live on. The others parts are facing development and sprawl. Come up to NNE for real rural, and Northern Maine for some true wilderness.
I found it to be the strangest, back-arsewards place I've EVER been. I dread everytime I have to cross the bridge into it. I swear the people seems to live in another plane of existence... some people love it. You'd have to see for yourself. :P
Well, I have a solution to your problem....... don't ever visit or live in New Jersey
It's on my list of places to avoid. The problem is all the people fleeing NJ coming up here to VT and also NH and ME bringing all the garbage with them (especially their dislike of the Second Amendment, big nanny government ideas, etc.) and trying to make VT and other states into what they left behind.
NJ would probably be mostly like Delaware. Delaware is also sandwiched between two major metros (Philly and Baltimore/DC), has a faster-paced urban area in the north, and a slower-paced coastal area in the south.
NJ is overall nothing like NY or PA, since NY state is completely different from NYC, and PA is completely different from Philadelphia. Both Philly and NYC have more in common with NJ than the rest of their actual states. PA and NY state are actually very similar. I wouldn't mind giving both Philadelphia and NYC to NJ and then merging the rest of PA and upstate NY into one state.
The least crowded parts of NJ are still more crowded than Northern New England or states like Alaska. I've seen what passes for "rural" in NJ and it simply isn't close to rural to someone from VT who's also spent time in Northern Maine. It's simply light suburban. There isn't a lot of private property within the protected portion of the Pine Barrens to live on. The others parts are facing development and sprawl. Come up to NNE for real rural, and Northern Maine for some true wilderness.
i agree. we took a trip to vermont. now THAT is wilderness. we attempted hiking once, i didn't think that we'd make it back to civilization.
The least crowded parts of NJ are still more crowded than Northern New England or states like Alaska. I've seen what passes for "rural" in NJ and it simply isn't close to rural to someone from VT who's also spent time in Northern Maine. It's simply light suburban. There isn't a lot of private property within the protected portion of the Pine Barrens to live on. The others parts are facing development and sprawl. Come up to NNE for real rural, and Northern Maine for some true wilderness.
Um, OK ... but you VT people consider Burlington or Montpelier cities, while we don't (because we have NYC). It's all relative. But the rural areas of NJ, by definition of the word "rural", are in fact, rural. Just like Burlington, by definition, is in fact a city. It may be LESS city-ish than what we are used to in NJ, just like NJ's rural areas are LESS rural than what you're used to in VT, but it is a city nevertheless, and NJ's rural areas are rural nonetheless.
Also, have you been to Warren County, NJ , or way down south in Cumberland County, NJ? Or the Pine Barrens? Those areas are pretty goshdarned rural, and yeah, I've been all over Vermont.
Um, OK ... but you VT people consider Burlington or Montpelier cities, while we don't (because we have NYC). It's all relative. But the rural areas of NJ, by definition of the word "rural", are in fact, rural. Just like Burlington, by definition, is in fact a city. It may be LESS city-ish than what we are used to in NJ, just like NJ's rural areas are LESS rural than what you're used to in VT, but it is a city nevertheless, and NJ's rural areas are rural nonetheless.
Also, have you been to Warren County, NJ , or way down south in Cumberland County, NJ? Or the Pine Barrens? Those areas are pretty goshdarned rural, and yeah, I've been all over Vermont.
Most of us don't want cities. You don't go to VT for a big city lifestyle. Most real VT'ers (who can trace their family back several generations in VT, in my case, to the earliest White settlers) don't even consider Burlington part of Vermont.
I've been to the Pine Barrens. They're interesting but I like Northern VT or Northern Maine better. The Pine Barrens are like an island in some ways.
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