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Old 09-04-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Leave it up to Octomom and the Duggars....
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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...and they are dying, just like the U.S. is. The death of the caucasian race is slowly occurring via the importation of non-caucasians to their lands. To deny it is to deny reality. To support it is to support a wrongful, unworthy cause.
There is an easy answer to this problem. The Europeans should have more children. Problem solved. With birth rates around 1.2 per women, Europe has no choice but to have large immigration. They need the workers to take care of future retired generations. They know this, but are not willing to increase their birthrate. Therefore if they are overtaken by other races or cultures they have nobody to blame but themselves.
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Midwestern Dystopia
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There is an easy answer to this problem. The Europeans should have more children. Problem solved. With birth rates around 1.2 per women, Europe has no choice but to have large immigration. They need the workers to take care of future retired generations. They know this, but are not willing to increase their birthrate. Therefore if they are overtaken by other races or cultures they have nobody to blame but themselves.
your knowledge of europe is lacking, they don't need "large immigration". The unemployment numbers are high as is, it's not uncommon for 15% unemployment in Spain as a general rule for instance, it's higher now.

and that's just one example.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:55 PM
 
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There is an easy answer to this problem. The Europeans should have more children. Problem solved. With birth rates around 1.2 per women, Europe has no choice but to have large immigration. They need the workers to take care of future retired generations. They know this, but are not willing to increase their birthrate. Therefore if they are overtaken by other races or cultures they have nobody to blame but themselves.
People who study different populations throughout history have noted that a conquered people will feel little reason to mate when they feel that another group will continue to outbreed or outpopulate them. It's a subtle way of a people giving up. Maybe it's nature's way. However, never in the history of the world have people voluntarily given it over to foreigners who in no way share their genes and/or culture.

End Immigration and throw out the foreigners, particularly illegals, and the birth rate will rise some amongst the native population.

Immigration of third world, non-European peoples STILL DESTROYS THE NATION, for it is no longer what it once was. Even if we're talking in economic terms, the descent will be into third world status as the nation becomes populated by third world peoples. Look all over the world at where nations are wealthy and where they are poor, and you can see a very heavy correlation with IQ. First World Peoples = High IQ = Prosperity. Third World Peoples = Low IQ = Poverty.
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Old 09-05-2009, 05:35 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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There is such as thing as assimilating immigrants into becoming permanent citizens of their new first world country - the US has largely been doing that throughout its history. Most immigrants here pass up poor segments of the native US population (spef. inner city Blacks and rural southern Whites) within one generation. You have generations of people with no intention of improving their circumanstances, content to live off their $800 welfare check per month while millions of immigrants come to do jobs they could be doing.
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Old 09-05-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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Immigration of *foreign*, non-*native* peoples STILL DESTROYS THE NATION, for it is no longer what it once was.
I could change your quote and it would apply to virtually every kingdom/empire/country in the history of our time.

A nation no longer being 'what it once was' does not mean it was 'destroyed'.

A lot of the Italians and Irish that immigrated to America were not well-educated and lived in slums. They were looked at then much the way you view 3rd-worlders now.

But what happened? They moved themselves up and have become fixtures in US society, no longer would you associate someone of either descent as being 'foreign'. And *gasp* the US is still here!
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Old 09-05-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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From what i can tell, having spent a decent amount of time in both the United States and Europe, is that it is much easier to assimilate into the united states than into western europe. And its not so easy to compare the two, since the US is based off a multicultural society that was colonized, and european countries have been mostly homogenous for hundereds of years.

The irish and italians coming to the united states is nothing like the immigrants coming to western europe now. Most ethnic Europeans will say that the immigrants are slowly (or quickly) ruining their own French or German culture, while the irish and italians contributed greatly to the melting pot culture of america. Second and third generation immigrants in the united states are completely "americanized" (except for some of the hispanics). The WASPs have had their families in the united states for a long time now, and they consider everyone with irish, and italian heritage an american. Most will say the same for blacks that are descendents of slaves. In france an ethnic french person will not consider a cameroonian, even if they are 2nd or 3rd generation, a true French. They wont consider a second or third generation irishman in france a true french person either.
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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So how do you explain that Sarkozy is the president of France.
Sarkozy (Hungarian immigrant father, mother of greek origin), nobody will say that Nicolas Sarkozy is not truly french.
Without forgetting the million of Italian, Spanish, Polish, German... that immigrated in France before the WW2 and that nobody remember.
They were completly "frenchized" even theirs names have been "franchized".

That's weird but most people (even in France) believe that immigration beginned after the second WW2 with the arrival of north african people.

Number of foreigners in 1931 France.

Italian: 808,038
Polish: 507,811
Spanish: 351,864
Belgian: 253,694
Swiss: 98,475
Russian: 71,928
German: 71,729
Portuguese: 48,963
Czechoslovak: 47,401
English: 47,322
Turkish: 36,119
Yugoslav: 31,873
Armenian: 29,227
Luxembourgish: 21,466
Greeks: 19,123
Hugarian: 18,824
American (USA): 16,819
Romanian: 15,387
etc...

Naturalized people by country of birth in 1931

Italy: 100,642
Belgium: 66,896
Germany: 33,204
Spain: 26,935
Switzerland: 19,714
Poland: 13,535
Russia: 10,972
Luxembourg: 7,057
Turkey: 5,114
Great Britain and Ireland: 4,352
Romania: 4,317
Greece: 1,751
USA: 1,623
etc...

PS : I didn't included people from french colony, they had a specific status.

Now all the descendant of these people are concidered to be "francais de souche". It can be traducted by "ethnic french", even if the term "white french" is a way better.

So I greatly desagree when you said that a third generation irisihman will not be concidered as a true french.
I admit that it is more complicated for non white even if it rapidly change.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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So how do you explain that Sarkozy is the president of France.
Sarkozy (Hungarian immigrant father, mother of greek origin), nobody will say that Nicolas Sarkozy is not truly french.
Without forgetting the million of Italian, Spanish, Polish, German... that immigrated in France before the WW2 and that nobody remember.
They were completly "frenchized" even theirs names have been "franchized".

That's weird but most people (even in France) believe that immigration beginned after the second WW2 with the arrival of north african people.

Number of foreigners in 1931 France.

Italian: 808,038
Polish: 507,811
Spanish: 351,864
Belgian: 253,694
Swiss: 98,475
Russian: 71,928
German: 71,729
Portuguese: 48,963
Czechoslovak: 47,401
English: 47,322
Turkish: 36,119
Yugoslav: 31,873
Armenian: 29,227
Luxembourgish: 21,466
Greeks: 19,123
Hugarian: 18,824
American (USA): 16,819
Romanian: 15,387
etc...

Naturalized people by country of birth in 1931

Italy: 100,642
Belgium: 66,896
Germany: 33,204
Spain: 26,935
Switzerland: 19,714
Poland: 13,535
Russia: 10,972
Luxembourg: 7,057
Turkey: 5,114
Great Britain and Ireland: 4,352
Romania: 4,317
Greece: 1,751
USA: 1,623
etc...

PS : I didn't included people from french colony, they had a specific status.

Now all the descendant of these people are concidered to be "francais de souche". It can be traducted by "ethnic french", even if the term "white french" is a way better.

So I greatly desagree when you said that a third generation irisihman will not be concidered as a true french.
I admit that it is more complicated for non white even if it rapidly change.
Very great post...I think the same can be said for some other Western European nations too.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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People who study different populations throughout history have noted that a conquered people will feel little reason to mate when they feel that another group will continue to outbreed or outpopulate them. It's a subtle way of a people giving up. Maybe it's nature's way. However, never in the history of the world have people voluntarily given it over to foreigners who in no way share their genes and/or culture.

End Immigration and throw out the foreigners, particularly illegals, and the birth rate will rise some amongst the native population.

Immigration of third world, non-European peoples STILL DESTROYS THE NATION, for it is no longer what it once was. Even if we're talking in economic terms, the descent will be into third world status as the nation becomes populated by third world peoples. Look all over the world at where nations are wealthy and where they are poor, and you can see a very heavy correlation with IQ. First World Peoples = High IQ = Prosperity. Third World Peoples = Low IQ = Poverty.
Huh? I don't think this is anything new in Westernized nations, as there have been waves of immigrants(legal and illegal) that have come to new lands over a period of time that have been disliked or were thought of as posing a threat.

Also, maybe the issue with Caucasions has more to do with the history of many countries going to various lands. You probably wouldn't get the immigration we have now if that didn't happen in the first place.

Also, when you think of the aspect of assimilation, Europeans have been doing that to themselves no matter where they go. Meaning, the diminished culture among many people of European descent started when they threw away their native culture for a larger, assimilated and general "White" culture. That wasn't anything that was necessarily imposed on them, but was done mainly by choice. So, maybe there should have been more "code switching" amongst those of European descent here in the US, because then you wouldn't have to worry about a loss of culture. I guess that is the price one had to pay in regards to being an American.
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