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Old 04-01-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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In theory you would think so, but in practice they rarely, if ever, are. Just think of all the crimes where both say a man and his wife/gf participate in some horrible act yet all the time in the end you get the man getting sent to life in prison and the woman getting 10 or so years, or a man getting sentenced to 25-50 years and again the woman gets about half that.

Or in the case where a female teacher gets caught having sex with underage students and doesn't get near the sentence a man of the same age does.
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Old 04-01-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Talk to the judges and the juries.

BTW, you may not hear all the facts of the case and are comparing apples to oranges, particularly if the woman/wife was going along with the husband who masterminded the crime and played the more active part in it.
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:41 PM
 
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Nothing in our judicial system is fair or equal. Money and power buy you far more than most people can imagine. Justice or should I say, mulligans, are for the very rich while the very poor carry a very heavy burden.
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Old 04-02-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Where are all the feminists demanding equal treatment?

Shocked that they aren't responding. /sarcasm/

Poor defenseless victim model of modern women applies here.
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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In your thread title you should have left off "in the criminal justice system."

You would have had 1,000s of views ... but still no comments.
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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In these cases we shouldn't be advocating for equal treatment so much as justice. It would help the debate if the OP provided actual statistics or examples of actual cases. As reneeh said, there might be extenuating circumstances for differences in sentencing, or the women are sentenced appropriately. Pamela Smart, for example, was sentenced to life for organizing her husband's murder, whereas the teenage boys who committed the murder got lighter sentences, and some have been paroled.
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:31 PM
 
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Where are all the feminists demanding equal treatment?

Shocked that they aren't responding. /sarcasm/

Poor defenseless victim model of modern women applies here.
You've never posted in a thread discussing female teachers having sex with male students before apparently.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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Where are all the feminists demanding equal treatment?

Shocked that they aren't responding. /sarcasm/

Poor defenseless victim model of modern women applies here.
First you would have to support the claim. I didn't see any links to statistics or actual cases where men and women were tried for the exact same crime, allowing for extenuating circumstances, attorney experience, judicial bias and/or plea bargains. There are many variables and biases that come to play in court cases and sentencing as others have said.
You are asking why feminists aren't demanding equality in our biased, less than adequate court system. You believe there is equal treatment at all? Why aren't the financially challenged demanding equal treatment, minorities, the homeless, etc.
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Old 04-04-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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You are asking why feminists aren't demanding equality in our biased, less than adequate court system. You believe there is equal treatment at all? Why aren't the financially challenged demanding equal treatment, minorities, the homeless, etc.
That's absolutely right. Any injustice and bias in the system is a problem, but racial and economic biases are much more wide-ranging and and have more of a societal impact than gender biases.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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That's absolutely right. Any injustice and bias in the system is a problem, but racial and economic biases are much more wide-ranging and and have more of a societal impact than gender biases.
Absolutely.
And the premise that feminist (I'm assuming activists) should be demanding equal treatment as in longer harsher sentences or higher convictions rates is ridiculous. Should the wealthy and well connected be demanding longer, harsher sentences and higher conviction rates as the poor who cant afford high end attorneys and don't have the connections. If the OP and others believe men are being discriminated against in the courts shouldn't it be men who are demanding equal treatment?


As far as I know women have the same opportunity to be arrested, convicted and sentenced for crimes, are subject to the same laws, allowed the same rights to an attorney and jury of their peers. They are not being discriminated against due to their gender which is what feminists fought against. I wish people would try to understand the simple concept that the fight for equality means having equal protections under the law and being granted the same rights and opportunities, not being denied the same that would offered another due to your gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation. It does not mean being wanting to be the exact same as someone of a different gender, race, religion or sexual orientation.
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