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Old 11-03-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Isn't that the case already? Hasn't it always been so?
this.....................but on a side note, those people aren't usually as happy as laid pack people. It's a statistical fact that career driven workaholics are less happy than stupid people working minimum wage jobs. So who really has the crappier life
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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Competitive/easy going people have generally has a better go at it than non-competitive/easy going people.

Linking competitiveness to easy going doesn't make any sense. One does not require the other nor exclude it.
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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this.....................but on a side note, those people aren't usually as happy as laid pack people. It's a statistical fact that career driven workaholics are less happy than stupid people working minimum wage jobs. So who really has the crappier life
Could be career driven workers have much more to lose. I'd feel pretty depressed losing a 150k/yr job for a 45k year job with the same responsibilities, which in turn can ruin a marriage and set you back depending on how much debt you accumulated.

Competitiveness wasn't taught in my generation, we grew up with an "Everyone is a winner" mindset. Instead it was treated as a dirty word, and while I don't like the idea of screwing over others for my own gain I'd just prefer good sportsmanship -- which is a lost art in the job field.
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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this.....................but on a side note, those people aren't usually as happy as laid pack people. It's a statistical fact that career driven workaholics are less happy than stupid people working minimum wage jobs. So who really has the crappier life
What statistic identified stupid people and using what criteria since its a fact? To some, a duck crossing a pond seems carefree and cruising for the pure joy of it.

Vintners are often seen as laid back, enjoying the good things and refined living. Ever see one after harvest when chemistry is off a bit?

Laid back people are just laid back about things which don't concern them too much. Pick on of their issues and suddenly, that laid back person becomes anything but.

Take who might seem like a laid back person working at a low wage job and tell them that tomorrow they will not get food stamps or any other public assistance unless they work hard to earn more money and see how laid back they are.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:31 AM
 
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From say 1950 to 1990, in the West one could graduate high school, get a well paying stable unionized retail, government, office or factory job, have time to see their children, and eventually look forward to a cushy retirement. With globalization and automation, it seems like people increasingly have four choices:

*Enter a super competitive stressful field like engineering or medicine and spend life working your ass off, never getting to see your family or friends or do anything fun whatsoever. I tried doing an engineering degree but I am quitting because I hate it.

*Accept increasingly unlivable wages, government handouts and poverty in exchange for having more free time. IE roomsharing with strangers, living in tiny studio/one bedroom apartments, having non-existent security or insurance, etc.

*Do dangerous and back breaking but well paid work in a hellhole like Alberta, Texas or North Dakota.

*Become an entrepreneur and hope you win the lottery.

If things get worse, the former will begin to go hungry, the second will become chattel for the techno-industrialists and the third will have fewer and fewer rights and such jobs will also become more scarce and poorer paying as robots and people from the Far East who are willing to accept less pay take the jobs away.

Are people who are not willing to "live to work" doomed for disappointment at best and tragedy at worst as the social safety net becomes more and more scant and market fundamentalism more and more prominent? Seems like the future will be great if you are a technical person, a workaholic or a crook but dismal and depressing if you are an artist, a lover of nature, or someone who values family, friends and leisure above their job.
It is alot harder with all the new immigrants but, it's also a matter of adapting/changing with the times, finding your niche, and pursuing it 100%. Take for example the Jersey Shore cast. All they did was party and hook up. They found a wave, rode it to success, and now they're millionaires.
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