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I'm trying to reconcile your belief that there is enormous pressure on Jewish males to marry only Jewish women with a few other societal aspects.
I've always thought the Jewish community largely supported and were real leaders of today's liberal platform, which includes supporting and practicing diversity amongst and across the races and ethnic groups in all ways. However, if it is true that Jewish men feel pressured, as you indicate, to "marry a Jewish woman", that would certainly not seem to tie in well with the diversity goal that has long been espoused by liberals.
Do you have any data in this regard?
That is the narrative sold for personal profit. They don't personally practice it. It's the opposite of Muslims who ban outright what they view as destructive. In that sense I have more respect for Muslims who don't encourage the social destruction of cultures while financially profiting.
I have no idea how, in your mind, the "Weimar Republic" would tie in with the thought expressed by the poster that: "Jews are also social hypocrites. They sell/advertise racy & edgy aspects while discouraging the same exact behavior in their own community."
What do you think the "Weimar Republic" evidenced?
(And "no", I never took a specific course in European history. Though I'm certainly knowledgeable of the Holocaust horrors that were carried out by the Nazis.)
Looking at my Jewish friends, it seems that, on some level, everything they do (education, career, marriage, charity, etc.) is for their culture and civilization, not themselves. They have been nearly exterminated many times over millennia and they’re constantly preparing and saving up for the next cataclysm.
In New York at least, the pressure on Jewish males to (1) go to an Ivy school, (2) become a lawyer, banker, or doctor, and (3) marry a Jewish woman and have lots of children is enormous. It’s not education or money but perpetuation the culture that’s important. Few if any other groups exert that sort of pressure on their kids (particularly the religion and ethnicity of spouses) anymore.
A trend that worries many of the more liberal Jewish sects that in another generation or so they may totally loose their identity. Indeed that part of the Jewish faith have been slowly integrating for decades now. Just look at the numbers of Jewish men married to African American, Asian, and other gentile women.
Now that gay marriage is legal the trend can only accelerate. However at least with the children there are options to ensure they are born Jewish. For lesbians it is self evident, gay men simply have to find a Jewish woman willing to act as surrogate. Israel (always in need of population) has a surrogacy program open to gays and straights. SSM male couples can and have simply gone over there to get themselves a "Jewish" child.
The Hasidic communities are another matter. There marriage to gentile has serious consequences.
i heard jews usually help themselves first .. like Jews buy only from Jews businesses.
That is totally not true.
At least here in NYC Jewish landlords do business with contractors and others based on dollars, not religion. Yes, they may "do that deal" say in terms of financing or whatever with someone "in the family" so to speak, but the grunts on the ground are often gentiles.
I am married to a person who comes from a culturally Jewish background and I attended an elementary school that was 3/4s Jewish.
1. Jewish people value education from pre-school on. Some ways that they implement this include the following - destination vacations with an educational theme rather than theme parks. They will go to Disney once, but no yearly pilgrimages.
2. Summer camp or other structured activities. Children loose educational ground during the Summer. Keeping them structured and among like minded, educationally oriented people, fuels this.
3. College. Four Years of it. No questions asked. Most Jews (not so much DHs family) also opt for a college that is residential, as opposed to commuter.
They will even get a mediocre student into a 4 year college. Usually with good results.
4. They don't stop parenting at 18.
5. No teenage pregnancies. They generally derail a child's life.
6. They help their children financially - no questions asked. And in turn, their children help their elderly parents.
7. There is no "everyman for himself", "sink or swim" "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" attitude when it comes to children.
8. Similarly, they expect a lot out of their children in terms of achievement. They generally want a certain type of achievement - white collar professional.
I've never heard a Jewish parent say "whatever makes you happy" and let their kids go to a trade and technical school instead of college.
If it seems that there isn't a lot of wiggle room in a Jewish family, that's true.
There you have it. We have raised out two this way. It works.
Correct. I find Jews to have some of the most stable families. They don't call it Jew York City for nothing!
At least here in NYC Jewish landlords do business with contractors and others based on dollars, not religion. Yes, they may "do that deal" say in terms of financing or whatever with someone "in the family" so to speak, but the grunts on the ground are often gentiles.
Hollywood & American media in general. Which has immense influence on American culture
ITs amazing that 2% of Jews make up a huge bulk of Americas wealth, high rate of IVY league grads, entertainers, even three of our suprueme court judges are Jewish such as Souter, Ginsburg and Kagan. I live in NYC aka I call it Jew York City due to the fact many make up the wealthy class here, but also have plenty of businesses that not only cater to Jews but cater to plenty of others especially in professions such as Law, Medicine and Real Estate. At one time in my cities history Jews used to make up a huge bulk of public school teachers, and students used to have Jewish days off from school. Much of the success of the Jews can also be observed in the past especially in the middle ages.
During antiquity Greeks and Romans surpressed even during Pagan and Christian rulers. When Rome fell and splinted into different factions of Germanic rulers along with the lone Greek speaking East, and the rise of Islam saw Jews gain prominence. In the middle east Jews were philosophers, educators, bankers and so forth. In Christian Europe, Europeans were forbidden on charging interest on lending money however Jews could do this and saw a way to make money, but many other took up other professions like medicine or law. Even in Spain, Miguel de Santangel a converso or ex Jew helped finance Columbus expedition ot the New World on behalf of King Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain. When Spain expelled their Jews, plenty of Jews migrated to Ottoman Turkey which helped Turkey grow economically and academically. What Saved Spain was finding Gold and Silver in the Americas which helped Spain to dominate global trade for 3 centuries without Jewish help.
Lets not get it twisted Various civilizations have persecuted Jews and Jews in persecuated lands remained in poverty, Ancient Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Selecuid Greece, Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire Crusader States, Kingdom of Spain, Kingdom of Portugal, Venetian Republic, Russian Empire, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist Cuba, Ethiopia, Russian Federation. These nations persecuted Jews and in way shape or form prevented Jews from exceeding. In Some nations throughout history Jews excelled like Ptolemaic Egypt, Arab Empire, Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire, Napoleonic French Empire, British Empire, German Empire, United States of America and other western nations saw Jews excel at commercialism due the liberal freedom and helped fuel these nations to become great powers in their own right.
Even though small in group, I find Jewish Americans to be very industrious and commercial people. Family is at the heart for many Jews along with education and other values. The only group that can come close is either Asian Americans and to slowly declining Wasps.
I'm trying to reconcile your belief that there is enormous pressure on Jewish males to marry only Jewish women with a few other societal aspects.
I've always thought the Jewish community largely supported and were real leaders of today's liberal platform, which includes supporting and practicing diversity amongst and across the races and ethnic groups in all ways. However, if it is true that Jewish men feel pressured, as you indicate, to "marry a Jewish woman", that would certainly not seem to tie in well with the diversity goal that has long been espoused by liberals.
Do you have any data in this regard?
It is a paradox bordering on hypocrisy. If a gentile mother were to say: “I want my son to marry an Methodist,” she would be seen as reactionary at best and bigoted at worst. Jewish mothers, even otherwise liberal ones, don’t face similar censure. On the other had, being a practicing Jew (even for the non-Orthodox) is very tedious and cumbersome. Most Jews assume that children of mixed marriages wouldn’t bother.
ITs amazing that 2% of Jews make up a huge bulk of Americas wealth, high rate of IVY league grads, entertainers, even three of our suprueme court judges are Jewish such as Souter, Ginsburg and Kagan. I live in NYC aka I call it Jew York City due to the fact many make up the wealthy class here, but also have plenty of businesses that not only cater to Jews but cater to plenty of others especially in professions such as Law, Medicine and Real Estate. At one time in my cities history Jews used to make up a huge bulk of public school teachers, and students used to have Jewish days off from school. Much of the success of the Jews can also be observed in the past especially in the middle ages.
During antiquity Greeks and Romans surpressed even during Pagan and Christian rulers. When Rome fell and splinted into different factions of Germanic rulers along with the lone Greek speaking East, and the rise of Islam saw Jews gain prominence. In the middle east Jews were philosophers, educators, bankers and so forth. In Christian Europe, Europeans were forbidden on charging interest on lending money however Jews could do this and saw a way to make money, but many other took up other professions like medicine or law. Even in Spain, Miguel de Santangel a converso or ex Jew helped finance Columbus expedition ot the New World on behalf of King Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain. When Spain expelled their Jews, plenty of Jews migrated to Ottoman Turkey which helped Turkey grow economically and academically. What Saved Spain was finding Gold and Silver in the Americas which helped Spain to dominate global trade for 3 centuries without Jewish help.
Lets not get it twisted Various civilizations have persecuted Jews and Jews in persecuated lands remained in poverty, Ancient Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Selecuid Greece, Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire Crusader States, Kingdom of Spain, Kingdom of Portugal, Venetian Republic, Russian Empire, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist Cuba, Ethiopia, Russian Federation. These nations persecuted Jews and in way shape or form prevented Jews from exceeding. In Some nations throughout history Jews excelled like Ptolemaic Egypt, Arab Empire, Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire, Napoleonic French Empire, British Empire, German Empire, United States of America and other western nations saw Jews excel at commercialism due the liberal freedom and helped fuel these nations to become great powers in their own right.
Even though small in group, I find Jewish Americans to be very industrious and commercial people. Family is at the heart for many Jews along with education and other values. The only group that can come close is either Asian Americans and to slowly declining Wasps.
The main difference between Jews, Asians and Whites, is that Whites are too preoccupied with equality. Whites suffer from self-guilt. Jews & Asians have no issue with sticking with their own.
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