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Old 04-15-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by d from birmingham View Post
These days painter only take in Mexicans to teach the trade and they get paid jack.
So, are you saying the Mexicans pay the painter to work?

READ my post again - work for FREE for a painter to learn.

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Cleaning places don't a by the hour charge. They have a by the job charge depending upon size of the place and what optional deep cleaning jobs. Said deep cleaning often takes hours and just costs 30 bucks or so.
Yeah, they do pay by the job. We are charged $75 for regular cleaning and she is there for 3 hours, sometimes a little less.

$30 for a deep cleaning. I live in the northeast part of Houston. Please find me a service that charges $30 for a deep cleaning.

Let's see some quotes for cleaning a home in Houston. $30, yeah right. I bet you'll say I can have a home built for $200.

 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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Help you understand???

Maybe you need to understand the circumstances you are in....how you got there... and how you will be able to get off of the Welfare.
My circumstances are very common. Divorced, single mom of two. I make ok money but not enough to cover all our basic needs.

Winning the lotto or marriage are my only hope of getting off assistance. I don't play the lottery, or date.

For what it is worth, I do make a little more than twice minimum wage. I coupon to stretch foodstamps. I don't smoke, do drugs, or even drink. I make my coffee and home and drink tap water.

My situation is very common and getting more common by the year. I do not get why My situation should anger anyone, let alone bring out so many negative comments.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Floyd Co, VA
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No one should have any animosity against someone on SNAP just because they're on SNAP. That program is there to make sure people are fed. Animosity towards people who did like the above.. Yeah, I can understand that.. If someone is trying to cheat the system. But, SNAP is making sure that adults and/or kids are fed and don't go hungry. Same with WIC. If someone is on that for years.. So be it. I'd much PREFER that people were working to get themselves off it.. Some are, some aren't.. But, either way, that's a program that needs to continue. Perhaps not quite at the levels that it has come to recently, but.. It needs to stay.
I my community I see a fair number of young, able bodied women using food stamps or whatever the program is now called. They are married, often with 4 or more children and members of a fundamentalist cult - one can tell by the fact that they are dressed like someone out of little house on the prairie, dresses down to their ankles and gauzy little bonnets on their heads and but driving minivans full of kids.

If they want to have 10 kids that is their right but please don't ask me to support them if they don't earn enough to do so themselves. They need to take responsibility for their actions and not expect the government to assist them for years and years.

When people have far more animals than they can realistically provide adequate food and medical care for we call them hoarders and castigate them for failing to be realistic, we don't advocate that the government step in and provide them with the means to care for them, we expect the government to take those animals away from them, perhaps charge the person with a crime or require them to have counseling and prohibit them from ever having so many animals again.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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When your anger and disdain you carry is pointed at those who have less than you then a reevaluation of your outlook on life may be in order.
Profound statement. Thank you.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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I'll be brief. We spent several years on welfare, when we immigrated to the USA.
We are very grateful to American people that paid our bills and provided for us through those years.
We, also, went to schools and graduated, with solid degrees and jobs.
We are off any state support since 1998.
We make very decent salaries and pay decent taxes. We helped our kids and they paid most of it anyway, to get through schools and get their decent education and decent jobs.

I'd say, point to my post is - it depends. It can be a great trampoline to start you into a better future, better for all, or it can suck you in and turn you into lazy, entitled mush. YOUR CHOICE.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 04:57 PM
 
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I my community I see a fair number of young, able bodied women using food stamps or whatever the program is now called. They are married, often with 4 or more children and members of a fundamentalist cult - one can tell by the fact that they are dressed like someone out of little house on the prairie, dresses down to their ankles and gauzy little bonnets on their heads and but driving minivans full of kids.

If they want to have 10 kids that is their right but please don't ask me to support them if they don't earn enough to do so themselves. They need to take responsibility for their actions and not expect the government to assist them for years and years.

When people have far more animals than they can realistically provide adequate food and medical care for we call them hoarders and castigate them for failing to be realistic, we don't advocate that the government step in and provide them with the means to care for them, we expect the government to take those animals away from them, perhaps charge the person with a crime or require them to have counseling and prohibit them from ever having so many animals again.
"We" also generally take the excess animals and destroy them. Advocate that for the people with 10 kids as well?

Yes, sometimes a charitable organization steps in and adopts the animals out, but.

Look, I don't like it when it happens as you describe.. but, I have to fall back on the fact that it's food. We're not paying so that these people are living high on the hog, we're keeping them fed. And i'm not going to look down on someone getting the help or ***** and moan about giving it to them when it is for food. And, they do have to spend it on food.. Perhaps not the healthiest food there is, but, food nonetheless.

We have rules that prisoners get 3 square meals a day.. We should make sure that everyone gets that, as much as possible. Not that we should be stupid about it, however.. It certainly shouldn't be a no questions asked thing. Making sure everyone is fed should be a higher priority than making sure everyone has healthcare. After all, what good does it do for a doctor to tell someone they're starving?
 
Old 04-15-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Venus
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People who do not get assistance think they are being cheated by the ones who do. You are always going to have people who try to milk the system. But, the majority of those on assistance are hard working, honest people who find themselves in a tough situation. And some of them are working FULL TIME! But the truth of the matter is that we are ALL being cheated. As long as we down here on the bottom are fighting among each other, we will not join forces and go after the REAL cheaters in our society-the corporations who refuse pay livable wages and at the same time do not pay their fair share of taxes. They are the TRUE welfare queens.



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Old 04-15-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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READ my post again - work for FREE for a painter to learn.
Once again painters will only take in Mexicans to train. Painters are paid jack squat.

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$30 for a deep cleaning. I live in the northeast part of Houston. Please find me a service that charges $30 for a deep cleaning.
Look online the deep cleaning is an optional job for a specific thing like an oven or a fridge.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 05:59 PM
 
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Why do some people take every opportunity to verbally attack people on assistance? I am constantly reading posts on forums and social sites that indicate that anyone one welfare or food stamps is a greedy, lazy freeloader.

That is not the case. As a single mom of two children, we are on welfare. I work 40-50 hours a week in addition to maintaining a household and raising children.

I know way more people that work full time and get assistance, then I know that do not work and get assistance. Help me understand.
Aw hugs.

The downside of living in America The Great. Capitalism.

If you were in Australia you would be far, far better off. I was a hard working single mum too and thanks to Government assistance which comes in the form of cash rather than stamps, I lived very well indeed.

As a matter of fact in the early days I earned more alone working part time, than the whole family survived on, back when I was married and hub worked full time plus overtime.

It's called Socialism. You should read up, it's great, the main premise being everyone is as important and valued in a society as everyone else. The good of ALL, not just The Good Of My Shareholders as it is in the States.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 06:13 PM
 
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I read (but can't remember the source, sorry) that at $50,000 annual income, $36 goes to SNAP.
This.

Even if it was double or triple that, it's still a minute amount of your total tax bill.
The amount of welfare fraud across the entire nation probably doesn't add up to one day's worth of waste by the military, or one tenth of some ridiculous pork barrel project some congressman brought home to his or her district. I can't for the life of me figure out why people get so worked about things like this.

I hear people say "well, it's the principle of the matter." That's nice. That and a $1.50 will get you a Pepsi out of a vending machine. Worry about something important people.
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