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Build the original 700 mile fence that was mandated by Congress several years ago but never got built because both Bush and Obama refused to do so. It may not work, but I want to see that for myself, not just believe people who say it won't work.
I agree with punishing those who employ illegals. Make it severely detrimental to employ one. Take away the bait that draws them here in the first place. Imo, the greedy employers are the root of this problem. Trying to fence off the border or punishing only the illegals themselves will not work. They'll keep coming.
I agree with punishing those who employ illegals. Make it severely detrimental to employ one. Take away the bait that draws them here in the first place. Imo, the greedy employers are the root of this problem. Trying to fence off the border or punishing only the illegals themselves will not work. They'll keep coming.
But this is part of the Rules of Law on Immigration that we already have on the books. It's just not being enforced and hasn't been for decades!
Never fear though, Obama has announced that he is now requesting $2Billion for more "border security"
I give up. I think I'll just become one of those people that walks around happily oblivious from now on.
Why does a LEGAL immigrant require a green card in order to be employed but an ILLEGAL who sneaked in, requires nothing? Why would the LEGAL resident get arrested for working without a permit while the ILLEGAL just keeps doing whatever they want?
Things are upside down and backwards. The UK has finally cracked down after years of a similar problem--it takes while for the powers to be to realize what a mess it creates when they just allow anyone to enter the country without any rules.
The parents of little kids are already here, illegally. Then they save up $10k per kid to bring them here illegally. All of that money is being paid by employers who hire illegals. Once they get here, these kids are in the school systems where they require extra services for language issues and illiteracy, require medical care at county clinics, and get free meals from the local charities and churches. Hospitals cannot legally refuse services in the ER. All of this while the US is going through a rough economic time and we could use that money and those resources for our own citizens. And the part about Americans not wanting the jobs that illegals take...I think if we did some hard work with the disability and welfare systems and how they are administered, a lot more Americans would need to find work. Given the lack of skills and literacy among this generation of Americans there would be plenty to fill the spots that illegals currently hold.
I do not believe in creating any sort of easy way for those already here to become legal. I think we need a swift crackdown on employers. I can bend on temporary passes for agricultural workers but they must be registered, properly housed and paid, and each one has a limited stay of 6 months that is only renewable every 5 years or so...they can't come here indefinitely and just follow the crop seasons. Eventually they become so accepted in the scenery that they are considered to be permanent residents, the way our system is set up now. But all employers need to be held accountable for every worker and all paperwork required.
One of our kids is going to college in TX and went home with one of her room mates whose parents live near the Mexican border. Although our daughter did not have her passport with her she went shopping with the family in Mexico (the mom is American legally & proud military veteran/Hispanic and has family just over the border) and they allowed my daughter to freely cross back over to the US. Now maybe they did not question her because she is tall and very fair/blond, very likely to be legally American. But she said they did not ask her Hispanic room mate or the family for their passports as they all came back together. In fact my daughter said that no one was being asked for an ID at the border crossing station from Nuevo Progreso. This is not what should be happening, but thousands of people cross back and forth every day without producing any paperwork to show citizenship. The room mate said that she has never seen the border guards require anyone to show a passport or other papers, ever, and she grew up in the area.
Just after the illegals cross the border, border agents should give each one a sleeping pill. Then transport them to the Canadian border. When they wake up they will think that they are still in the USA and they will continue into Canada.
I agree with punishing those who employ illegals. Make it severely detrimental to employ one. Take away the bait that draws them here in the first place. Imo, the greedy employers are the root of this problem. Trying to fence off the border or punishing only the illegals themselves will not work. They'll keep coming.
This is true. A physical barrier isn't going to work, nor are more guards going to work. That's just the War on Drugs all over again.
The only thing that's going to work is to eliminate the draw--eliminate the potential for work.
Their employers don't want them to be legalized, and don't want to hire Americans. This isn't a matter of making foreign workers legal, because any form of legalized labor is far more expensive than the slave-wages that can only be paid to someone who is here illegally.
But there are billions of dollars being made on subsistence-wage labor in the US, and with that kind of money at stake, neither party is going to do anything effective to end it.
And so there you have it, gentlemen. The political parties are going to continue to rouse us rabble as though they're going to do something about it, but that will never happen. The big money in the US wants to keep the status quo.
This is true. A physical barrier isn't going to work, nor are more guards going to work. That's just the War on Drugs all over again.
The only thing that's going to work is to eliminate the draw--eliminate the potential for work.
The draw is the country. Are you gonna eliminate that too? They know once they are in, somehow, somewhere they will find a job. If employee sanctions could have worked, it would have by now. The law has been in place since 1986. BTW, where are all those low wage illegals everybody is talking about? I'd love to pay $20 to have my lawn mowed.
This is true. A physical barrier isn't going to work, nor are more guards going to work. That's just the War on Drugs all over again.
The only thing that's going to work is to eliminate the draw--eliminate the potential for work.
Their employers don't want them to be legalized, and don't want to hire Americans. This isn't a matter of making foreign workers legal, because any form of legalized labor is far more expensive than the slave-wages that can only be paid to someone who is here illegally.
But there are billions of dollars being made on subsistence-wage labor in the US, and with that kind of money at stake, neither party is going to do anything effective to end it.
And so there you have it, gentlemen. The political parties are going to continue to rouse us rabble as though they're going to do something about it, but that will never happen. The big money in the US wants to keep the status quo.
Nah. Las Vegas has very close to the "good outcome" you people are talking about. Our major industry the Casinos maintain very tight employment standards and are tightly regulated. For a casino to get caugth with a significant number of illegals would risk its ability to operate. There are lots of Hispanics in the group employed there but they are either legal or they have the best documentation known to man with the ability to pass e-verify. Note that casino workers are also well paid. Las Vegas household incomes are up there with the better paying cities of the US...driven by the unions on the strip.
But yet we have more illegals per capita than anywhere else. How are they supported? And the answers is off the books. The entire residential construction segment is Hispanic and they provide the slots that take care of a lot of the illegals. They are mostly a legal work force but slide illegals in with cash pay. And some may well pay legal workers off the books. Other areas include landscaping, roofing, house and office cleaning, retail clerks in some stores, particularly where bi-lingual is useful.
In the end game they support a large illegal population with few on the book employers. And that is what happens in the rest of the US if you crack down on the big guys.
If it were up to me, the first thing I would do is fund contractors to complete the wall between Mexico and the United States. Because you can't manage what you can't control. And immigration shoudl defintely be well and tightly controlled by the United States.
The second thing I would do is use the National Guard as a huge buffer for the border agents we currently have, because the number of border agents we have now simply cannot keep up with the new influx of illegal immigrants. They need help now.
Once the wall is complete, I would wind down using the National Guard and fund the required number of border agents that would be needed to properly control what is effectively now an open border.
I haven't read the link you provided but I've lived enough life and traveled the world enough to think the following is the solution: Get rid of the borders completely.
Borders fail miserably today to do anything they are supposed to do: 1) to keep out disease, viruses, illegal products/animals/agriculture, 2) to keep out illegal citizens or felons from other countries, 3) to keep in any of the afforementioned things.
They don't work, plain and simple. They never will unless you envision us all voluntarily living in localized prison systems. Get rid of them, and then let's get down to business eliminating the ridiculous laws we have to abide by and for which taxpayer dollars are wasted.
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