Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-06-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Atlanta (Finally on 4-1-17)
1,850 posts, read 3,018,117 times
Reputation: 2585

Advertisements

Quote:
Americans are conditioned to be single-minded about the purpose of life, which is to make money.

Americans are taught that life and everything is all business. A workaholic lifestyle is considered to be the norm that one strives for. Such a narrow focus on life suppresses creativity and imagination, and makes life dull as well.

In America, the pursuit of money has REPLACED the human soul. Thus the eyes of Americans look empty and plastic, not soulful or passionate. Their eyes often look depressed too, as though they've been overworked and been over consuming too much with nothing else to live for.

Chime in. Your thoughts?


DISCLAIMER:I read this question on another blog. I thought It would make for interesting conversation. So, DO NOT attack me.

Last edited by Oldhag1; 09-11-2014 at 11:12 PM.. Reason: Clarity
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-06-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
3,493 posts, read 4,556,201 times
Reputation: 3026
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Barbosa View Post
Americans are conditioned to be single-minded about the purpose of life, which is to make money.

Americans are taught that life and everything is all business. A workaholic lifestyle is considered to be the norm that one strives for. Such a narrow focus on life suppresses creativity and imagination, and makes life dull as well.

In America, the pursuit of money has REPLACED the human soul. Thus the eyes of Americans look empty and plastic, not soulful or passionate. Their eyes often look depressed too, as though they've been overworked and been over consuming too much with nothing else to live for.


Chime in. Your thoughts?
Interesting! How in the world you miss the point that because of pursuing money the U.S. has became a financial power. How can you relate that to suppression of creativity and imagination? Have you read any American history? I venture to guess that you had that I high school. I did not attend HS in the U.S. and yet I am aware of how America became a leading financial country due to creativity and imagination.

In case you slept through your high school history class, you can make it up by going to the library and look for a book that may be entitled History of American business. There are many with that kind of title. However, if you do not go to a library as many don't anymore, look for titles like that in the Barnes and Noble website.

Also, despite all the horrors you describe, I venture to guess that America is still the country that most people emigrate to. Is it of the horror stories that people just want to see are going here? Why do they immigrate to this country?

The picture you paint I can see on people but not in everybody. I also see the faces of people working hard and happy to enjoy what they earn. Many go to church, others love to volunteer, others raise families, and enjoying life. So yes, there are those people you see that look empty but I also see the positives. What was your motive to write this? I have no idea but I will tell you that your tunnel vision does not allow you to look more. You can either look at the glass as half empty or half full.

Is America a perfect nation? Heck no! But I assure you as a nation we have done great things along with mistakes, not just all negative as you say.
A challenge question for you. Now I encourage you to look at the positives of this country because I do not think it is all bad, is it? That is when you can truly see how biased you can be or not. Take care.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2014, 08:02 PM
 
Location: The Triad
34,094 posts, read 83,020,975 times
Reputation: 43671
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Barbosa View Post
Americans are conditioned to be single-minded about the purpose of life, which is to make money.
Chime in. Your thoughts?
That expression "make money" is shorthand for being productive.
It's not really different anywhere else though. It's basic human nature.

That the productivity should be personally satisfying... is a tougher sell here.
Most, too many certainly, just don't take the time to consider it all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: StlNoco Mo, where the woodbine twineth
10,021 posts, read 8,646,805 times
Reputation: 14576
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Barbosa View Post
Americans are conditioned to be single-minded about the purpose of life, which is to make money.

Americans are taught that life and everything is all business. A workaholic lifestyle is considered to be the norm that one strives for. Such a narrow focus on life suppresses creativity and imagination, and makes life dull as well.

In America, the pursuit of money has REPLACED the human soul. Thus the eyes of Americans look empty and plastic, not soulful or passionate. Their eyes often look depressed too, as though they've been overworked and been over consuming too much with nothing else to live for.


Chime in. Your thoughts?

You got a couple of bucks I can borrow?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Atlanta (Finally on 4-1-17)
1,850 posts, read 3,018,117 times
Reputation: 2585
Actually, I read this question on another blog. So calm down. You're getting worked up over megapixels on a screen.

It's the Great Debates..........can't I post questions that are DEBATABLE?


Quote:
Originally Posted by elamigo View Post
Interesting! How in the world you miss the point that because of pursuing money the U.S. has became a financial power. How can you relate that to suppression of creativity and imagination? Have you read any American history? I venture to guess that you had that I high school. I did not attend HS in the U.S. and yet I am aware of how America became a leading financial country due to creativity and imagination.

In case you slept through your high school history class, you can make it up by going to the library and look for a book that may be entitled History of American business. There are many with that kind of title. However, if you do not go to a library as many don't anymore, look for titles like that in the Barnes and Noble website.

Also, despite all the horrors you describe, I venture to guess that America is still the country that most people emigrate to. Is it of the horror stories that people just want to see are going here? Why do they immigrate to this country?

The picture you paint I can see on people but not in everybody. I also see the faces of people working hard and happy to enjoy what they earn. Many go to church, others love to volunteer, others raise families, and enjoying life. So yes, there are those people you see that look empty but I also see the positives. What was your motive to write this? I have no idea but I will tell you that your tunnel vision does not allow you to look more. You can either look at the glass as half empty or half full.

Is America a perfect nation? Heck no! But I assure you as a nation we have done great things along with mistakes, not just all negative as you say.
A challenge question for you. Now I encourage you to look at the positives of this country because I do not think it is all bad, is it? That is when you can truly see how biased you can be or not. Take care.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: America
61 posts, read 76,617 times
Reputation: 81
Yes, I find that to be more accurate than not. The corporation of the United States likes to condition their subscribers that the need to live on government benefits is normal. In doing so, the dues for maintaining such benefits are astronomical. Hence, why a person needs to work crazy amounts of hours just to sustain.

If all the people of America understood truly the way of life and law then the only people that paid dues would be the ones who accept benefits.

Subtract the number of people who are on government benefits from the total population of America and you will see how many people are wasting their time working so much and continue to pay dues to a membership they receive nothing from.

Instead, America is full of people who "dont care about that." Honestly, those people are the biggest problem with what the United States gets away with and, more importantly, the only solution to the problem.

Capitalism is a descriptive word for governments, as is communism, socialism, etc. People are not capitalists, governments are, which means they issue each subscriber a corporation (birth certificate and SSN) and in return expect taxes to be paid to them by providing safety through the form of statutory law. The reason there's a saying in America, the corporation pays the taxes not the people. In the law dictionary a 'person' is defined as a corporate entity. Trick trick You admit to being a person, instead of a human (in the eyes of the law), then you are obligated to pay dues. We are not persons, we have persons.

The nation, America, is great and full of beautiful people; the country, United States, is working exactly as designed and full of tricked people who think taxes are mandatory for EVERY human in the landmass and will continue to look for more money however possible because the dues continue (and will continue to continue) to go up!

Cheers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2014, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
10,864 posts, read 17,001,725 times
Reputation: 9084
OK, I'll debate this -- Americans work longer hours and more days than most other countries. They take less vacations and pay more for them (through the lack of paid vacation time that is normal elsewhere). They pay for things that other countries get for free -- education and healthcare are the two biggest, but others come to mind.

But dwarfing all of that, Americans foot the bill for the world's largest military, which exceeds the expenditures of the next-highest 13 nations combined.

So, yes, OF COURSE Americans are more focused on career and income -- we're FORCED to do so.



So I have a solution -- let the rest of the nations of the Earth take care of their own problems for a change. And then we can spend my tax money on something more useful, like schools, roads, ports and bridges. Maybe we could finally get decent internet. Or some vacation time, better schools and health care.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2014, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
19,029 posts, read 14,219,965 times
Reputation: 16752
"Make your own money? You must be mad!"

Since there is no correlation between the volume and value of scarce and finite money tokens ("dollar bills") and the marketplace of available goods and services, the emphasis on acquiring money may be an indication of pervasive indoctrination and programming in conflict with common sense.

Prosperity is not founded on money. . . Prosperity is based on production, trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. Money is only a medium of exchange to facilitate trade - not become a choke point and a means to skim wealth from the sheeple.

If money was prosperity, let us end poverty tomorrow, by crediting everyone with 22 billion billion quatloos - far more than anyone could spend in a lifetime. Now that everyone is equally wealthy, no one "needs" money anymore.

But who will farm, mine, labor, manufacture, transport and deliver goods and services when there is no compulsion to work for "scarce" money?

Of course, money-madness is the bane of civilization.

Under current madness, there are only three ways to acquire desired money tokens:
1. Trade (labor, property);
2. Charity (private, public); and
3. Predation (crime, extortion, usury, gambling, fraud, etc).
Ironically, when industry automates more, and thus produces more with less labor, it has a negative impact, by eliminating jobs.
Isn't that odd, don't you think?
Doing more with less so more can enjoy is a good thing. It certainly is better than doing less with more so few can enjoy.

FANTASTIC FOUR

Perhaps we need a FOURTH way to acquire needed mediums of exchange, to facilitate the trade of our surplus labor (unemployed) and surplus production (unused factories). Perhaps it is merely the existing power to issue private promissory notes (i.e. coupons) denominated in goods and services (not money tokens - "dollar bills"), and thus allow every laborer and producer to make the "money" needed to hire them / buy what they produce. Instead of begging for credit from usurers, productive people and enterprises issue notes, payable in the future, to facilitate trade beyond barter. The more labor and production in the marketplace, the more notes are in circulation with which to buy them.

That's too simple - must be illegal - can't work - stop thinking that way!
...
P.S. - Congress has no power to create money - only coin money (stamp bullion) and borrow money. If it did have the power to create money, why would it need to borrow it? And if it has no power to create money, it can't give it to anyone else.

["Do not look behind the curtain, little girl. I am the great and powerful OZ!"]

Last edited by jetgraphics; 09-07-2014 at 02:35 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2014, 06:44 AM
 
2,836 posts, read 3,497,559 times
Reputation: 1406
Love is a powerful force; but there is no greater love than the love of money. Of all the passions that drive men, there is none so universal as that fueled by money - the need and greed for it, the getting and spending of it, and the misery for want of it - it represents all other human desires. Man will move heaven and earth for money and money’s worth, for it is not love but money that makes his world go round.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Buckeye
604 posts, read 935,109 times
Reputation: 1395
In my opinion there is a common misperception about capitalism; it's all about making money. No, it isn't about making money at all. Money is nothing but a measure of value. Rich people might have very, very little money thus the cliche' "cash is trash". They have wealth which might be other forms of value such as real estate or capital equipment. If I make a lot of money that means I am supplying a good or service which lots of people value. If I have no money (nor wealth) it means my services or goods are not needed. So to answer the proposition stated by the OP: Americans are not conditioned to make money, they are conditioned to provide a good or service of value to others. This is the real benefit of capitalism, you provide for others!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:39 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top