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A similar rationale has likewise been used to force male rape victims to pay child support. Are you in favor of that as well?
It's a common rhetorical technique to respond with an extreme and rare example rather than directly address question at hand. In this case it's your "what about male rape victims causing a pregnancy" question.
Anyway, I persist. Sometimes a court's decision is wrong. I'm not interested in an extremely unusual case where the court was wrong, I'm interested in the general application of the law that ordinary people can expect.
BTW, your initial scenario is quite realistic and common for celebrities and professional athletes. And it's tough luck for the guy, but he has to pay.
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Yes, because in this case he knew that she would give birth in the event of a pregnancy. However, this isn't equivalent to my scenario above.
But married couples also do have the same problem - unexpectedly pregnant (she stopped the pill and lied about it) and one person wants to terminate and the other does not in spite of earlier agreements. Nonetheless, there is a child that resulted from intercourse and it must be supported.
This also applies to boyfriend/girlfriend situations as well as quickie hookups.
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Do you believe that a child is created at the point of conception/fertilization or implantation?
Was that your original intention? To turn this into a "when does life start thread?"
No, I'm not answering that. If you want to discuss that, then you need to start another thread.
Pro-lifers can say the same thing to female-bodied people who never want to risk being forced to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term, though.
?? Your comment has nothing to do with the question you asked.
How many times have you gone out and said you were only going to have one beer and you ended up with two. Should you only have to pay for one? It can be a common occurrence someone says one thing and does another.
As I warned my sons, you don't get to make the decision, however you will be made responsible to pay up. Proceed with caution.
However, a friend of mine got a vasectomy because he thought it would keep his wife from getting pregnant. She had a baby anyway, which has caused me to think in his case, all the vasectomy did was change the color of the child.
Also, if a woman who doesn't like both abortion and adoption has a problem with my idea here, then she can avoid having sex with men who are personally okay with opting-out of paying child support and/or avoid promising to get an abortion in the event of an unplanned pregnancy.
And it also goes the other way. If a man does not want to support a child in the future, he can also avoid having sex.
If he plays and the woman gets pregnant, then it is time for the man to pay, and pay, and pay. It is not fair to the tax payers to have to pay for your getting a woman pregnant that results in a baby. The rule should always be, you play, you risk having to pay for 18 or more years.
No, men should only have to pay child support if they were married. Children born outside of wedlock should receive a lump sum (starting at 5% of salary).
Men don't believe any woman talking that crap. If you don't want to pay 18 years for a kid you don't want don't be a dummy. Use a condom or don't bother with her. People lie all the time. She may want a baby and with your help paying for it ,she may just get her wish....
The OP seems to have a problem squaring away his desire for free, unfettered intercourse with as many fertile females as possible, and his desire to hang onto as much of his money as possible.
Look, sexual intercourse was meant to be practised in marriage. It has always been the prime motivator for marriage. I realize that is less true today, but that is what marriage was set up for - to foster the creation of a family, and the nurturing of children. It has always provided both men and women with the opportunity to have as much sex (with each other) as they choose. And traditionally, the burden of support for that family has always fallen on the male partner, who was unburdened by pregnancy.
The OP needs to grow up. As has been pointed out here by others, he needs to solve the problem himself. No, you may NOT opt out of child support, if you were the sperm-spouting male who helped to create that pregnancy. And you may NOT force a woman to have an abortion just because the law and Planned Parenthood [sic] say that she "can". When did "can" turn into "have to"??
Your desire for a merry lifestyle is making a mockery of all adult men who have married and raised families, or who abstain, or who step up and pay for their transgressions. Except in your case, you fail to see where your behavior results in a transgression. SEX IS NOT FREE!
Use a condom and have her be on the pill/diaphragm/IUD/depo/or the ring. Problem solved.
Learn how to use a condom correctly and make sure it's applied correctly. Use a spermicidal jelly too.
If you are unsure if she is using Bc Then don't complete the process, if you get my drift. Use the condom/spermicide. Problem solved.
Or get a vasectomy plus a condom. Problem solved. Vasectomies are reversible in most cases. Check it out.
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