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Old 10-07-2015, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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We should be excluding illegal immigrants from this count, it was quite a surprise to me but they are not. It's like gerrymandering on steroids at a national level. A recent study estimates California has 5 extra house seats thus 5 extra electoral votes. Neither is acceptable and perhaps we should consider straightening that out before worrying about individual districts.

... and to get those extra seats, another state had to LOSE representation because the Congress is not adding any more representatives like it should as the population increases.
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Old 10-07-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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To answer a question asked up thread, as to why the court took the case,........... because they believe there's an unresolved question to be answered.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It wasn't the conservative majority that foisted gay marriage, abortion on demand, etc. etc. etc. on us.

As to the topic of this thread, I'm no constitutional scholar, but it seems to me that the larger point is that we are figuring out how to elect representatives to Congress -- whose job it is to represent EVERYONE in their respective districts, not just the registered voters. So I would think that counting the total number of persons would be the better way to go.
The first problem with your post is that no one can represent "EVERYONE" in their district. It's literally impossible.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Why should anyone be excluded? Even slaves were counted as three-fifths of a person back in the day. This seems downright progressive in comparison to what you have proposed. The crime of illegals is that they do not have a little piece of paper. It is a status crime, similar to driving without a license. Illegals otherwise live and work in our communities like anyone else. Since the citizenship requirement applies only to federal elections, many towns and cities have moved toward allowing illegals to vote in municipal elections. This is a far more sensible direction to go in that what you have advocated here. Immigrants are not leaving. In fact many more will be coming. We need to stop behaving like little children over it.
I'm a middle of the road Democrat, and even I think you are dead wrong. Citizens get to vote. Period.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Exactly why would criminal aliens be counted for representation purposes?
Because they live here and are part of the population. Basically, the same reasons we count children. Which the case in question would seek also to rule out.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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To answer a question asked up thread, as to why the court took the case,........... because they believe there's an unresolved question to be answered.
Brilliant. What would it be, barrister? Is it anything more than another anti-democratic attempt by right-wing interests to make political participation by non-right-wingers as difficult as possible?
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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The first problem with your post is that no one can represent "EVERYONE" in their district. It's literally impossible.
The job of a lawmaker is to represent the INTERESTS of constituents, not their damned-fool opinions.
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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I'm a middle of the road Democrat, and even I think you are dead wrong. Citizens get to vote. Period.
The case has nothing to do with voting. Further, the restriction to citizens does not apply to local elections.
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Old 10-08-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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Because they live here and are part of the population.
They are foreigners that have broken the law and live here only becsue they have managed to evade being arrested. Do you understand how ridiculous it is for most people when they hear you say a foreigner should be allowed to influence both a States power in Congress and the Electoral College?
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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Brilliant. What would it be, barrister? Is it anything more than another anti-democratic attempt by right-wing interests to make political participation by non-right-wingers as difficult as possible?
Well Justice Reynard32, as you should well know, it takes only 4 votes to get a case accepted, and they never disclose the details of that vote. Could have been 9/0 for all you know, and that would completely undermine your claim. More study for you!
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