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Old 09-22-2016, 09:15 PM
 
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Just out of curiosity, where was this? Every police academy I've ever heard of is run by a government agency and the attendees have already been hired by a police agency. The hiring department pays the cost of training - there is no tuition. At least that's how it works in my area and for all federal agencies.
Florida for a city police force in the general Tampa Bay Area.
He will get a job there but I understood there were some costs involved.

It may be that he is trying to finish up some of the college stuff that grants him a higher salary on graduation from the Police Academy. Or, it may be that he has to help with the expenses at home (I think he was still living with parents, but perhaps he pays the bills?).
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Old 09-22-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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Too many Americans are ignorant of American law. They think that being unarmed is innocence.
If one is "under arrest" and resists arrest, they are committing a FELONY, armed or not.

Resisting Arrest: Laws, Penalties, and Defense | Criminal Law
I don't get it. The charge or suspicion of a felony does not entitle police to gun people down in cold blood - or does it?

Unarmed may not be innocent. BUT everyone is innocent until proven guilty, right?

Based on your post I almost get the idea you think otherwise.
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Old 09-22-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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The cop in the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson had no evidence to support an indictment. Indeed, it proved the cop's innocence.
No. In our system a person is not proved innocent. (Thank you whoever back when made the distinction between proved innocent and proved guilty.) Please let's be as precise as we can with our words. Too often we (and I include myself in this) say words that are inappropriate for the meaning we're trying to convey. Then we can get confusion, lack of communication, and a wasting of precious time.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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Default Should Cops be Charged with Murder-2 in Cases of Unarmed Shootings Like the Rest of Us U.S. Citizens

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Too many Americans are ignorant of American law. They think that being unarmed is innocence.
If one is "under arrest" and resists arrest, they are committing a FELONY, armed or not.
Resisting Arrest: Laws, Penalties, and Defense | Criminal Law
Felony Resisting Arrest: What Does the Prosecutor Have to Prove?
I seem to be missing your point. What is it as pertains to the question the OP asked? Or if you prefer, what is it as pertains to what recently happened in Tulsa and Charlotte. Was someone under arrest in either of those cases?
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Old 09-22-2016, 11:48 PM
 
Location: StlNoco Mo, where the woodbine twineth
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This one has been on the news all week here:


New police dash cam video reveals shooting that led to a murder charge | FOX2now.com
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Old 09-22-2016, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I seem to be missing your point. What is it as pertains to the question the OP asked? Or if you prefer, what is it as pertains to what recently happened in Tulsa and Charlotte. Was someone under arrest in either of those cases?
The Tulsa case was a potential arrest but they shot an unarmed man for no damn reason that makes logical sense. Just not following directions isn't grounds for shooting.
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Old 09-23-2016, 02:11 AM
 
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No they should not be charged and this is why. Police are paid to protect us, and they are forced to make quick judgements of life and death. Most of the people police shoot are armed and they do end up being criminals. Very few end up being unarmed and totally innocent, at the least they are often defiant and non compliant. Defiant suspects put the lawman on edge and this can lead to a shooting.

I am not saying all these shootings are right but it's a mistake to lock up every cop that makes a bad split second decision. First it obviously deters good people from going into law enforcement, who among the posters in here will go to jail for an error made a work. Doctors screw up all the time leading to death but no one is locking them up. Police officers who shoot when they should not will lose their career and possibly be sued. Their employer will defiinately be sued so it's not like there is no consequence for them.

Another thing to consider is who the BLM and rioters are. Many of these people are not good citizens and they live in high crime areas. We should not be giving these people the time of day. What they need is a heavier law enforcement presence in their area not a free reign to badmouth the police. These people dont represent the vast majority of law abiding black citizens, but they are treated as if they do by the media. Watch the riot videos from CHarolotte, Ferguson and Milwaukee and you will see they are just criminals, not victims. IT is time to get tough with these people and restore order.
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Old 09-23-2016, 04:28 AM
 
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Too many Americans are ignorant of American law. They think that being unarmed is innocence.
If one is "under arrest" and resists arrest, they are committing a FELONY, armed or not.

Resisting Arrest: Laws, Penalties, and Defense | Criminal Law
Felony Resisting Arrest: What Does the Prosecutor Have to Prove?

In order to secure a conviction for resisting arrest, the prosecutor must produce evidence on the following issues, called the “elements” of the offense, and the judge or jury must decide that the prosecutor has proved each one of them beyond a reasonable doubt. While the elements of the crime may vary from state to state, usually all of the following must be true:
● The defendant intentionally resisted or obstructed a law enforcement officer. This means the defendant intentionally acted in a way to hinder the arrest. However, the person need not have intended the result or harm that his actions caused.
● The defendant acted violently toward the law enforcement officer or threatened to act violently. For example, striking or pushing the officer would satisfy this requirement. Similarly, a defendant’s threat to strike an officer with an object in the defendant’s hand would also satisfy this requirement.
● The law enforcement officer was lawfully discharging his official duties. This means the law enforcement officer was properly engaged in the performance of official duties, such as investigating a crime or making a traffic stop. A law enforcement officer can be acting lawfully even when arresting the wrong person and even if the charges are dropped or the defendant secures an acquittal at trial.

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the standards that enable a law enforcement officer to use deadly force.
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Old 09-23-2016, 04:46 AM
 
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No they should not be charged and this is why. Police are paid to protect us, and they are forced to make quick judgements of life and death. Most of the people police shoot are armed and they do end up being criminals. Very few end up being unarmed and totally innocent, at the least they are often defiant and non compliant. Defiant suspects put the lawman on edge and this can lead to a shooting.

I am not saying all these shootings are right but it's a mistake to lock up every cop that makes a bad split second decision. First it obviously deters good people from going into law enforcement, who among the posters in here will go to jail for an error made a work. Doctors screw up all the time leading to death but no one is locking them up. Police officers who shoot when they should not will lose their career and possibly be sued. Their employer will defiinately be sued so it's not like there is no consequence for them.

Another thing to consider is who the BLM and rioters are. Many of these people are not good citizens and they live in high crime areas. We should not be giving these people the time of day. What they need is a heavier law enforcement presence in their area not a free reign to badmouth the police. These people dont represent the vast majority of law abiding black citizens, but they are treated as if they do by the media. Watch the riot videos from CHarolotte, Ferguson and Milwaukee and you will see they are just criminals, not victims. IT is time to get tough with these people and restore order.
Actually, that "free reign (sic) to badmouth the police" is a right, guaranteed to all by the Constitution. That same Constitution also guarantees equal protection under the law which requires that all people who commit a criminal offense be tried for that offense - there is no exclusion for law enforcement officers who break the laws put in place to protect all people.


The officer in Tulsa has now been charged and will be prosecuted in accordance with the law of the land. Their badge is not worn to shield them from our laws. It would be most un-American to want it handled any other way.
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Old 09-23-2016, 04:51 AM
 
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The case in South Carolina and just recently the case in Oklahoma if you go on YouTube and Google there are a couple more cases where cops have been charged but the thing is getting the charges to stick and making sure that they serve time
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I haven't heard of any cases where cops could be charged with murder. Every case I know of where a cop shot a guy he was justified.
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