Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
So basically in a popular vote we give authority to allow California New York Texas and Florida to elect our leaders.
Very hard to say. These happen to be the states with the most expensive media markets. I can see a Republican candidate trying to get the most votes in let's say Texas/Florida/Ohio/Michigan/Wisconsin, etc. Meaning the current swing states plus on or two of these huge states. And a Democrat would probably try to maximize votes they get in New York/California and a few other large swing states. It might be that there would not be a huge change. But in any case, these strategies will need to be analyzed and tried. Very hard to say at this point.
I think its time to deal directly with the elephant in the room. That elephant is the fact that candidates of one particular party have benefited twice from this system in the last sixteen or seventeen years. Its not a question of whether one system is better than another system or not. Its a simple question of the fact that the current system has repeatedly given them the presidency even when their candidate has gotten fewer votes than their opponent. Will they ever agree to change that? Hell no. Its a question of power, not right.
The shame and hypocrisy of such a position is evident. Americans have preached to other countries for years claiming that the USA is a democracy and we have demanded other countries hold elections and choose their leaders the same way. Yet, the reality is that in a presidential election in America, a small group of people can rule over a larger group of people because of what is now a design-flaw in our system.
Excellent point!!! Republicans will never attempt to initiate any changes as that will be directly against their self interest. They have no problem governing when they did not even win a majority in the country. Meanwhile, US democracy and election system on a federal level is becoming a joke. Even Putin said that US has an antiquated election system.
Can someone explain to me just why the POTUS should be elected by popular vote. Our country has three SEPARATE branches of government, and the POTUS is only in charge of the Executive Branch, period. The POTUS can not make any laws, he/she can not raise or lower taxes nor can the POTUS spend monies in the treasury. What the POTUS can do, is appoint cabinet positions but only with the approval of the Senate. The POTUS can make treaties, only with the approval of the Senate. Article 2, Section 2 describes the powers of the President, no where in those powers does it say that the President is the sole power broker, nor can he/she do anything that effects the Union without the consent of Congress. Sure the POTUS can write E/O's, but those E/O's are only relevant to the operation of the Executive Branch of government. The President does not speak for the people, he only speaks for the Executive Branch.
The people voice is heard through the House of Representatives, and this is why the House members are elected via popular vote in their respected states.
Can someone explain to me just why the POTUS should be elected by popular vote. Our country has three SEPARATE branches of government, and the POTUS is only in charge of the Executive Branch, period. The POTUS can not make any laws, he/she can not raise or lower taxes nor can the POTUS spend monies in the treasury. What the POTUS can do, is appoint cabinet positions but only with the approval of the Senate. The POTUS can make treaties, only with the approval of the Senate. Article 2, Section 2 describes the powers of the President, no where in those powers does it say that the President is the sole power broker, nor can he/she do anything that effects the Union without the consent of Congress. Sure the POTUS can write E/O's, but those E/O's are only relevant to the operation of the Executive Branch of government. The President does not speak for the people, he only speaks for the Executive Branch.
The people voice is heard through the House of Representatives, and this is why the House members are elected via popular vote in their respected states.
Because its customary to choose our leaders in all branches of the government, but the judiciary by popular vote. In fact, in most states judges are also elected by the people.
All Americans should have an equal say over who is elected to preside over our country in the highest office.
By that token we should using wooden plows, steam engines, and horse drawn wagons as our major mode of transportation.
The electoral college is an eighteenth century anachronism.
Your second point is irrelevant. Most countries are not constitutional republics. Most countries have a parliamentary system where the head of the majority party automatically becomes prime minister, premier, or chancellor.
Your argument is laughable because the constitution is the same as parliamentry rules except it is ironbound and much more difficult to change.
In Europe it is easier for a party to select a leader they choose that normally would never get chosen via popular vote. That is why GB has more women leaders on the flip side this means the people really don't have any say in who the leader is except to kick out of parliament members.
The EC is designed to collect buckets of votes. You ran a compaign and strategically go after these buckets. This is political science 101.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's the game that every president in the modern era was elected by getting 270,
Your argument is laughable because the constitution is the same as parliamentry rules except it is ironbound and much more difficult to change.
In Europe it is easier for a party to select a leader they choose that normally would never get chosen via popular vote. That is why GB has more women leaders on the flip side this means the people really don't have any say in who the leader is except to kick out of parliament members.
The EC is designed to collect buckets of votes. You ran a compaign and strategically go after these buckets. This is political science 101.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's the game that every president in the modern era was elected by getting 270,
Quote:
Originally Posted by vision33r
Just because you disagree or lost the game we should change the rules of the game so you can win?
How about that maybe if people don't all live in 3-4 states then you could win?
Play by the rules, there are many ways to win this game within the rules as long as people play to win.
I am surprised how many people miss the point of this whole discussion.
Donald Trump won the election. I repeat, Donald Trump won the election.
That fact doesn't keep us from saying the system that elected him and other candidates in the past is old fashioned, in need of change, and was fashioned the way it was to give slave states additional political power.
Arguing for change doesn't make anyone a sore loser. However, it may illuminate the insecurity of some people who voted for the winning candidate.
Last edited by markg91359; 01-18-2017 at 11:41 AM..
EC has been around longer than you or me. The wisdom in the constitution extends beyond fairness. No industrial country allows a popularity vote to select the leader of the country, nowhere. Europe? Canada? Japan?
Direct elections are held in many countries. Here is a reference:
Just because you disagree or lost the game we should change the rules of the game so you can win?
How about that maybe if people don't all live in 3-4 states then you could win?
Play by the rules, there are many ways to win this game within the rules as long as people play to win.
Point out where I said any of that.
Go ahead.
I can take it.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Quite an imagination you have
