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Old 12-29-2016, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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If we didn't kid ourselves, we'd see that we're pretty far from the freedoms (and liberties) originally spelled out by the founding fathers. As far as slavery goes, there's much more there than we realize. Maybe not as selling, trading, and owning African-Americans, but slavery of personal attributes to "the system", slavery to the government in our lives as a roadblock instead of a vehicle for progress, etc.

We'd all be better off if we educated ourselves into what this country was founded on, and the mindsets and philosophies of the Founding Fathers themselves. Then, it'd be easy to see the phonies and frauds in much of government these days. That's modern politicians' second-worse fear; an educated and enlightened society knowing the real from the warped and fraudulent. The worse fear would be us combining that knowledge with action and demanding change with no giving up or giving in.
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Old 12-30-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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When you think you are not free in the US think about the real slavery of communism. They are brainwashed, not allowed to have free press or free elections, rationed food, slave wages, free healthcare but no medicines to treat anything, no economy, and you are not free to leave.

In the US you have the freedom to do better and improve yourself, you have the freedom to leave if you don't like it and go where you want to live. In the US we take better care of out poor thru government programs and charities than most of the people in communist countries.
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Old 12-30-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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You have the freedom to inform yourself and learn the ways of the real world, but so many choose instead to become dependent upon the fables and fictions of a deliberate disinformation media.
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Old 12-31-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Huh? No. Fascism and conservatism are on the right and communism and socialism are on the left. Fascism is considered right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.
Conservatism isn't on the scale. It's a relativistic term that would fit anywhere on the scale, depending on what is "status quo" in any given time and place, and what is "revolutionary" that is opposing it.

Fascism is what results when socialists resort to populist politics to stay in power. They resort to extreme nationalism and appeals to militant patriotism. That's why repentant Leftists call Stalin a fascist now, whereas they loved him in the early days.... before the truth got out.
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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When you think you are not free in the US think about the real slavery of communism. They are brainwashed, not allowed to have free press or free elections, rationed food, slave wages, free healthcare but no medicines to treat anything, no economy, and you are not free to leave. [You still believe the propaganda ministry?]

In the US you have the freedom to do better and improve yourself [as long as you pay taxes and get permission / license], you have the freedom to leave if you don't like it and go where you want to live. In the US we take better care of out poor thru government programs and charities than most of the people in communist countries.[The USA has been socialist since 1933.]
When aggregate government spending is 44% of the GDP, and you're not a recipient, you're a slave - working 44% of your life for the benefit of another.

You cannot free a slave who does not know he's a slave.

= = = =
US Per Capita Government Spending for 2017 - Charts
2012 GDP: $15.6 T, U.S. population : 314.1 M, Per Capita : $49665.71

❏ Federal spending, per capita : $12,083.0 (percentage of GDP: 24%)
❏ State spending, per capita : $ 4,454.10 (percentage of GDP: 9%)
❏ Local spending, per capita : $ 5,308.4 (percentage of GDP: 11%)

Summed up, combined government spending takes (approx) 44% of the GDP.

Pharaoh's serfs only had to pay 20% in taxes (one part in five).
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Evolutionary Government
● Government (republican form) instituted to secure endowed rights from predators; transforms into
● Government (democratic form) empowered to rule and govern by majority mandate, in exchange for privileges; transforms into
● Predatory Government (socialist) deciding who should receive and who should pay, minus a hefty fee for the management.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Sociophobes have always been a drag on progress. As for the public sector, the US sends LESS of its GDP through the public sector than all but a few other developed economies. We have some sort of weird fetish for the private sector that allows us out of fear to forego what would be better outcomes down a different path.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:59 PM
 
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Sociophobes have always been a drag on progress. As for the public sector, the US sends LESS of its GDP through the public sector than all but a few other developed economies. We have some sort of weird fetish for the private sector that allows us out of fear to forego what would be better outcomes down a different path.
Do you refer to the glorious socialist countries currently suffering from depopulation and a booming aged population of pensioners?
The same countries who are suffering an influx of immigrants who do not share their enlightened philosophy and will no doubt tear them and their socialism apart?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe
The ageing of Europe, also known as the greying of Europe, is a demographic phenomenon in Europe characterised by a decrease in fertility, a decrease in mortality rate, and a higher life expectancy among European populations.
. . . .
Ironically, it matters little if the socialist country is prosperous or poor - they all share the phenomenon of decreased fertility (reduced birthrates).

Coincidentally, non-socialist countries are pumping out babies, regardless of their relative wealth... and in terms of BioWar, the future belongs to the descendants.

Bye - bye, Socialist countries.

Socialism not only fails when it runs out of other people's money - it fails when it runs out of other people's children, too.

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Old 01-02-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Huh? No. Fascism and conservatism are on the right and communism and socialism are on the left. Fascism is considered right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.
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Ironically, those so-called political spectrum charts always seem to omit the republican form of government.

For some strange reason, it's a verboten topic.
The chart in question is not one of form of government but one of ideology. Form of government and ideology are two different things.

Socialism, conservatism, liberalism, libertarianism: all can be incorporated in republican governmental forms or in non-republican forms.

It's not verboten at all - most people just don't confuse ideology with government framework like you're doing.
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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The chart in question is not one of form of government but one of ideology. Form of government and ideology are two different things.

Socialism, conservatism, liberalism, libertarianism: all can be incorporated in republican governmental forms or in non-republican forms.

It's not verboten at all - most people just don't confuse ideology with government framework like you're doing.
Please do not misunderstand. There is no ideology listed on that chart that correlates to the republican form of government, wherein the people are sovereigns without subjects, and the government is their servant, not their ruler.
Socialism (slavery) is not RFOG, conservatism is not RFOG, liberalism is not RFOG, nor is libertarianism.
Those all refer back to systems of subjugation to government.
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“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
Can you identify which ideology supports the notion that an individual is a sovereign? And that the government is not the sovereign, but the agent for the sovereign people?
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
What ideology tracks with what Abe Lincoln is saying about the republican form (American republicanism) and the prerequisite of consent?
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
Since sovereignty is the source of all law, and the individual Americans are sovereigns without subjects (unless they consent otherwise), they cannot be anarchists (absent law or government), nor are they libertarians (which are participants in a democratic form) nor any other form of submission to a government.

It's no coincidence that only America has a republican form of government.
Sadly, few Americans know what it is, or its source.

A short reference:
❏ In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government.
❏ If instead of endowed rights, you have mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government.
❏ If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA.

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SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
OBVIOUSLY, if one is a sovereign American, one cannot be a subject citizen, nor owe allegiance to a sovereign (government or person).
But only citizens can participate in the administration of the government - as subjects, who have mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights to life, liberty and property.

P.S. - Though this generation may have no knowledge of American individual sovereignty, that was not always the case.
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ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
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His audience knew what an “American sovereign” was, to understand the joke.

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