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Old 01-16-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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That's no excuse to support organized crime.
Who said anything about supporting organized crime? You are making up your own story in your head.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Every pothead I have worked with has been a blithering idiot whose -eff-ups I have to handle. So no.
Aside from the fact that potheads are no where near as dangerous as addicts of meth, alcohol and heroin not everyone who smokes, has smoked marijuana is a pothead.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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Aside from the fact that potheads are no where near as dangerous as addicts of meth, alcohol and heroin not everyone who smokes, has smoked marijuana is a pothead.
May I inquire how you gathered data to support this summation?Would be interested in the studies and govt stats you garnered to misguide readers.

Is there a standard amount of usage per day that qualifies someone as a pothead?

Does this theory then go on to meth users?

Say nope to dope. So simple. Yet folks can't grasp this..because they are stoned,high,or anesthetized.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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May I inquire how you gathered data to support this summation?Would be interested in the studies and govt stats you garnered to misguide readers.

Is there a standard amount of usage per day that qualifies someone as a pothead?

Does this theory then go on to meth users?

Say nope to dope. So simple. Yet folks can't grasp this..because they are stoned,high,or anesthetized.
Nothing to do with being out of it, and everything to do with it being an unjust law.

As long as alcohol is legal, then other drugs should be, or if everything else is illegal, then alcohol should be too. There is no logical reason for the special status of alcohol - it can kill and it can make people violent.

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Old 01-16-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Lets face it the best way to try to prevent our youth from trying drugs is to educate them from a very young age about the consequences of trying them and becoming addicted to them. Be honest with them instead of feeding them with a lot of the hyped up propaganda that the media and government put out there. They wont listen if they think they are being fed lies so keep it real - very real. Then even if they have possibly tried them what you say will still resonate with them. The message should not make doing drugs look glamorous or cool at any level - show the real addicts and drug dealers incarcerated and what happens to their life after.

From a very young age my mother told me horrible things about those who tried heroin and became addicted which she said happened from first try (which it can) about them being trapped by their addiction which only builds tolerance that they can not support so they will steal from their grandmother to support this habit- anyway it was info I never forgot and because of it never would even consider trying heroin. Instead of hiding or protecting children from reality we should let them know about it so they know what they are doing when they chose drugs. Life is not all rainbows and unicorns and we need to quit acting like it is with our children.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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What people are against is buying drugs from organized crime. When you pay them money for drugs, that money is available to grow their enterprise. They can buy more guns to murder more innocent people, as one of many examples of the kinds of crime you support when you buy illegal drugs.

The fact that people are willing to support such crime marks those people as undesirable. We don't need to rehabilitate them, because they will still have criminal attitudes even if they stop using drugs. We need an efficient way to keep them isolated from the civilized world forever. A concentration camp in the desert might be a lot cheaper than prison. It should be designed to keep them from escaping, but with rock bottom costs. Their food should be the cheapest possible, and they should be required to work hard for their keep. And they should never get out. At some point we have to stop being soft on crime, by keeping criminals confined forever.

Making drugs legal is a whole different discussion, unrelated to the depraved criminals we have now. Even if drugs become legal, our present drug criminals should still remain confined forever. Because they aren't just drug addicts, but also have criminal attitudes which support organized crime. Their depraved crime is not that they do drugs, but that they buy illegal drugs. There is a vast difference between those two.
Very hard to convince someone who sees what they are doing as actually a victimless crime only against themselves. In the beginning they usually can afford to pay for drugs so they are not thinking about robbing someone to buy them and think they wont ever have to.

Realize that when most people buy drugs it is from a person who is usually a lot like them and they consider them to be a "friend" making them not think about the hand they are feeding or the criminal enterprise.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Nothing to do with being out of it, and everything to do with it being an unjust law.

As long as alcohol is legal, then other drugs should be, or if everything else is illegal, then alcohol should be too. There is no logical reason for the special status of alcohol - it can kill and it can make people violent.
Exactly !!
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Nonsense. We don't line people up to execute them. We give them fair trials first. We have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they deliberately attempted to buy or sell illegal drugs. Besides that, we shouldn't be executing people. We should put them in a big concentration camp in the desert, keep them there forever, feed them the cheapest food possible, and make them work hard for their keep.
Tens of millions of trials?

Sure, that makes sense. You'd probably be the first one to complain when your taxes go up to create a jail and court system 5X the size of our current one (and we already jail more people than any other country).

Make them legal - and then we all win. You save money because you don't have to support a police state.

What part of liberty don't people understand? Criminalizing the smoking of a weed or making of a tea from something you can grow in your backyard? That's crazy...

Why not make roller coasters illegal? After all, they are designed to get people high.

You sound like Sharia Law would suit you. Lots of middle east countries treat drugs exactly as you suggest. Here in the US we like to think that a person is free to think and do as he or she likes as long as they don't expressly harm others.

I could provide a list of historic figures - Steve Jobs, Huxley, Freud, Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, etc....
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:23 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Make hard drugs legal. Let everybody who uses them overdose and remove themselves out of our gene pool.

For those who want to recover, have free drug treatment programs to help them get drugs out of their lives.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Under the Redwoods
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Yes, there is scientific evidence that alcohol is worse than meth, here you go:

Experts: Alcohol More Harmful Than Crack or Heroin

https://sobernation.com/3-reasons-wh...angerous-drug/
I was not challenging which was worse...I think both are awful. I challenging the legitimacy of the proof provided to be proof that it is worse.
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