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Old 09-13-2009, 07:13 PM
 
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And they're the same in every religion also--I'm not saying that they are exclusive to Christianity, only that they are found in every religion. Laws against theft are found in many religions also, for another example.
At the very least, we should hope that religions note common sense. A good book can state the sky is blue on a sunny day, but that doesn't mean nobody wouldn't notice a blue sky if it wasn't listed in a good book.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Religion and common sense are thought to be exclusive of each other, as far as some are concerned.

However, there is nothing wrong with religion in the sense that it defines a moral or ethical framework. That's all it really is.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:48 PM
 
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I disagree with your premise that law isn't based on religion, since a lot of religions from different sources forbid the same types of things--like murder.
This doesn;t indicate in the least that religion is part and parcel of a law.

None of the Big Three do, Murder, Rape, Theft, as prohibitions and laws limiting these activities are found across cultures and religions.

It is merely a commonality found in ANY well run, prosperous society
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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Religion and common sense are thought to be exclusive of each other, as far as some are concerned.

However, there is nothing wrong with religion in the sense that it defines a moral or ethical framework. That's all it really is.
Eh, many religions are as variable as people when it comes to ethics. I'd like to say the basics, such as 'don't murder other humans', are held, but if we look at the old testament and the qur'an, not so much. Jainism, OTOH, seems to be on the up and up as far as morality goes, but that's not a monotheistic religion.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Oddly, both law and religion can be found in any well run, prosperous society...what is a law except what someone BELIEVES to be "right"?
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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Oddly, both law and religion can be found in any well run, prosperous society...what is a law except what someone BELIEVES to be "right"?
I believe someone recently posted data comparing hard core religious countries (like the US) with countries that are less religious (UK, maybe the Swiss?). Oddly, countries with more monotheistic beliefs have higher rates of homicide, like the US.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I'm not going to claim that one religion is better than another. In fact, there are many different religious beliefs to be found within our borders. But you can't deny that the U.S. is "prosperous"--since the worship of the Almighty Dollar is one of its most prominent "religions".
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:06 PM
 
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The conversation is starting to trail off into la la land.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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So keeping on topic 'how does homosexuality hurt anyone' the answer is it doesn't.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Oddly, both law and religion can be found in any well run, prosperous society...what is a law except what someone BELIEVES to be "right"?
Law is indeed founded upon the common consensus of that society, not religion.
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