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Starting in June, Diesel powered vehicles will be restricted to certain roads and eventually phased out. https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...ab-31-Mai.html (Remember 30 y/a when the GermanMasterMinds were telling us only Diesels made sense?)
The damage caused by auto fumes to public statuary is obvious in the big cities in Europe. Limestone & marble works of art are dissolving during this past century of the auto, after remaining pristine for centuries. Maybe this alone is a good reason to regulate inner city use of ICEs.
But often the health effects of auto fumes are used as the pseudo-scientific excuse to regulate. The medical literature is full of studies declaiming "particulate matter" as a health risk factor. Most of these studies are quite obviously biased.
A good meta-analysis https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...55.2012.744962 that eliminates those biased papers indicates that in areas of higher particulate air pollution, mortality rate among those with COPD is increased by 1%. (and, if that's relative risk, not absolute risk, it's really practically zero.)
The incidence of COPD in the general population is 3 per 1000.....So, 1% of 3/1000 is 3/100,000.
Is that enough to outlaw the ICE?
Given that the death rate from MVAs is 1/10,000....not high enough to eliminate auto use... the extra 0.03/1000 is hardly impressive.
Its about "ältere Dieselautos und Lastwagen" - older models those " nicht die Abgasnorm Euro 6 erfüllen." don't meet the new Euro 6 emission standard AND two very short street parts in Hamburg Downtown. Parts are blocked, about 600 meters of the Max-Brauer-Allee and about 1.7 kilometers of Stresemannstraße. Pretty absurd decision.
"Driving bans, as planned by Hamburg now, are actionism, absolute nonsense, "criticized the physicist and lecturer specializing in traffic at the University of Duisburg-Essen, Michael Schreckenberg. "The pollutant load will decrease at most in the affected road, in the adjacent urban areas, however, it will rise" https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...-sogar-zu.html
At the end just 1787 people would benefit from this ban, and local residents are free to use the closed sections - no matter how old their diesel vehicles are.
We have a new generation of snowflakes that think that solar power is free, not to mention unicorns and fairy farts to power industry. Plus modern women are stronger, smarter, and faster and men can become women by identifying as such.
Electric cars require more power than fuel powered cars because of power losses over the grid. Not to mention using tremendous amounts of copper, lithium, and cobalt.
On the bright side, Germany has invested heavily in wind and sun solar, there is that. Still reeks of stupidity.
As another poster pointed out, this only affects 2 roads of less than a mile in length in Hamburg. It is not a complete ban on diesels in Germany. Such a misleading thread title.
German courts ruled that cities can ban certain diesels from their cities to help control pollution. It is NOT a nationwide ban.
The ultimate effect will be on the new and used car market. But that will take years to develop.
Starting in June, Diesel powered vehicles will be restricted to certain roads and eventually phased out.
Wait! After a lifetime of berating the US for not embracing Diesel now they are abandoning it? We deserve an apology. So they were wrong all this time?
Its about "ältere Dieselautos und Lastwagen" - older models those " nicht die Abgasnorm Euro 6 erfüllen." don't meet the new Euro 6 emission standard AND two very short street parts in Hamburg Downtown. Parts are blocked, about 600 meters of the Max-Brauer-Allee and about 1.7 kilometers of Stresemannstraße. Pretty absurd decision.
"Driving bans, as planned by Hamburg now, are actionism, absolute nonsense, "criticized the physicist and lecturer specializing in traffic at the University of Duisburg-Essen, Michael Schreckenberg. "The pollutant load will decrease at most in the affected road, in the adjacent urban areas, however, it will rise" https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...-sogar-zu.html
At the end just 1787 people would benefit from this ban, and local residents are free to use the closed sections - no matter how old their diesel vehicles are.
Older vehicles and trucks.
What about running Diesels on vegetable oil, is that also a problem? Does anyone do that in Germany? Diesels were popular among environmentalists in the US, for that reason. Gallon jugs of soy oil was cheaper than petrol until the price of gas crashed, but now it's jumped up, suddenly.
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Older vehicles and trucks.
What about running Diesels on vegetable oil, is that also a problem? Does anyone do that in Germany? Diesels were popular among environmentalists in the US, for that reason. Gallon jugs of soy oil was cheaper than petrol until the price of gas crashed, but now it's jumped up, suddenly.
In fact... Germany / euro zone uses the BEST feedstocks for BioD, (brassiere) and leaves US stuck with SOY
BioD / wvo emits <20 % of petro based Dino Diesel.
Diesel and BioD have more energy content than gas (ick)
So diesel gives 30-40% efficiency gain + less pollutants ( with alternative diesel) + many available feed stocks. I trust algae will bloom. It is not cheap, but even jet fuel is successful using Algae.
So German ban...
It’s just greenies / government gone wild /wrong.
I don’t doubt it will change things for the worse for everyone.
That is the specialty of Gov and Special interest groups.
It will not change my fleet... (self fueled) during my lifetime (short).
50 mpg since 1976, no dinosaurs required..l. Where have you been.?
We have a new generation of snowflakes that think that solar power is free, not to mention unicorns and fairy farts to power industry. Plus modern women are stronger, smarter, and faster and men can become women by identifying as such.
Electric cars require more power than fuel powered cars because of power losses over the grid. Not to mention using tremendous amounts of copper, lithium, and cobalt.
On the bright side, Germany has invested heavily in wind and sun solar, there is that. Still reeks of stupidity.
As a result, Germans pay an incredible 37 cents per kWh, and coal still provides 37% of their power.
Diesel engines are more efficient than gas powered, not because the fuel is superior, but because Diesels operate on a much higher compression ratio, extracting more usable power out of each turn of the engine. Being reciprocating engines, both are remarkably inefficient-- only ~10-15% of the stored chemical energy being transformed to kinetic energy of the vehicle.
Oil from algae is another doomed branch on the tree of energy evolution. It's no mystery that green plants produce long chain hydrocarbons that exist as liquids at room temp (the definition of "oil.") Fossil fuel, after all, is the remains of long dead green plants that toppled and decomposed under anoxic conditions.That foliage took tens of millions yrs to grow, capturing the energy of the Sun sent Earthward during that long period of time. We will have exhausted that energy storage medium over the course of just two centuries.
Those pools of stored, compressed-plant produced energy have occupied a volume of thousands of cu miles. How big will our growing tanks of non-compressed algae have to be to replace fossil fuel supplies on a timely basis?
10% Gasohol gets 10% inferior mileage (a numerical coincidence, not a mathematical calculation) than gasoline. Assuming a 20mpg vehicle, a little arithmetic will show that it saves only 1 gal of gasoline for every 100 gals burned. That means that our supply of gasoline. estimated to last 100 yrs, will last 101 yrs if the whole world used gasohol. BFD. Biofuel mandates are just a political tool meant to pacify farmers and TreeHuggers.
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