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Old 06-30-2010, 09:38 PM
 
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Cap & Trade will never pass.

 
Old 07-01-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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It already has. The Clean Air Act authorizes it.
 
Old 07-27-2010, 03:18 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/op...gman.html?_r=1
 
Old 07-28-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Excellent.

Have We Been Asking the Wrong Questions About Climate Change Science? Why Strong Climate Change Ethical Duties Exist Before Scientific Uncertainties are Resolved. - Climate Ethics

...This post argues that for over thirty years the public climate change debate has focused on the wrong scientific questions compared to those that ethics would ask of climate science. Since the mid-1960s opponents of climate change policies have demanded to know from science what are the known climate change impacts; yet ethics would ask: (a) What are the scientifically plausible climate change harms?, (b) Could these harms happen if we wait until all uncertainties are resolved and the consensus view turns out to be correct?, (c) Are the harms potentially catastrophic for some, and (d) Have the potential victims of climate change consented to be put at risk while uncertainties are resolved?


This post argues that what we should do about climate change is not a scientific-technical question but is essentially an ethical question and the failure to frame it as such has been responsible, at least in part, for a thirty-year delay in taking action.


This post argues the misplaced focus on the scientifically known, rather than scientifically plausible climate change impacts and subsequent ethical implications that come from scientific notice that humans are doing something dangerous, is partly responsible for over thirty years of delay in adopting climate change policies.
 
Old 07-28-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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^^^^^^^^^
Did you argue against the Iraq war? If you theory is correct than you should not have.
(d) Have the potential victims of Saddam Hussien consented to be put at risk while uncertainties are resolved?
This post argues that what we should do about despots around the world is not a scientific-technical question but is essentially an ethical question and the failure to frame it as such has been responsible, at least in part, for a thirty-year delay in taking action.
 
Old 07-28-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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good grief, that's your response?

I love it - you're comparing 30 years of scientific research to proven false allegations Saddam Hussein was stockpiling yellowcake uranium, was harboring Al Qaeda, etc.

That's just hilarious. Would you like to also draw a parallel to the Iran-Contra scandal as well?
 
Old 07-30-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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Excellent.

Have We Been Asking the Wrong Questions About Climate Change Science? Why Strong Climate Change Ethical Duties Exist Before Scientific Uncertainties are Resolved. - Climate Ethics

...This post argues that for over thirty years the public climate change debate has focused on the wrong scientific questions compared to those that ethics would ask of climate science. Since the mid-1960s opponents of climate change policies have demanded to know from science what are the known climate change impacts; yet ethics would ask: (a) What are the scientifically plausible climate change harms?, (b) Could these harms happen if we wait until all uncertainties are resolved and the consensus view turns out to be correct?, (c) Are the harms potentially catastrophic for some, and (d) Have the potential victims of climate change consented to be put at risk while uncertainties are resolved?


This post argues that what we should do about climate change is not a scientific-technical question but is essentially an ethical question and the failure to frame it as such has been responsible, at least in part, for a thirty-year delay in taking action.


This post argues the misplaced focus on the scientifically known, rather than scientifically plausible climate change impacts and subsequent ethical implications that come from scientific notice that humans are doing something dangerous, is partly responsible for over thirty years of delay in adopting climate change policies.
Science has been asking the wrong questions?

You know why science isn't asking those types of questions? Because it isn't science.

Seriously, pick up a blueprint on the process of the scientific method, its creation, arguments for and against, the purpose, and all of the significant history relating to it.

Science is not politics. What this paper argues is politics. It argues to insert bias above that which can be measured. It promotes conclusions based on assumption.

That type of thinking is not simply incorrect, it is delusional. That is pure propaganda.

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Old 07-30-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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Science has been asking the wrong questions?

You know why science isn't asking those types of questions? Because it isn't science.
I work in a research institution with PhDs from about 20 different countries - I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt when they say "it's science."

Then there's that pesky group called the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

AAAS - AAAS News Release - "AAAS Reaffirms Statements on Climate Change and Integrity"

And you're of course hilariously wrong on the "history of science," one of our researchers here specializes in just that very field.

keep tilting at windmills if you want, just don't interrupt their clean energy production.
 
Old 07-30-2010, 04:19 PM
 
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I work in a research institution with PhDs from about 20 different countries - I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt when they say "it's science."

Then there's that pesky group called the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

AAAS - AAAS News Release - "AAAS Reaffirms Statements on Climate Change and Integrity"

And you're of course hilariously wrong on the "history of science," one of our researchers here specializes in just that very field.

keep tilting at windmills if you want, just don't interrupt their clean energy production.
Appeal to authority.

Again, not science, but nice try.

And your "researcher" should quit his job and go flip burgers because he is a detriment to his field if he believes this garbage. I guess they will hand out diplomas to anyone now, as long as they dance the tune and toe the line.

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Old 08-01-2010, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Arlington Virginia
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This is a disturbing environmental story. Wild fires in Russia are spread over 500 square miles and come amid record breaking heat. The heat and drought have also destroyed much of the crops in this major grain growing region. I've been hearing about this on NPR the last couple of days. Here is the story from Bloomberg: Russian Fires Spread to 500 Square Miles as Wind Picks Up Amid Record Heat - Bloomberg
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